Re: [Tagging] Ultimate list of approved keys

2011-01-01 Thread Richard Weait
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Robert Elsenaar wrote: > Hi, > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features lists a certain portion of > approved tags. > > - Why only a part of all approved tags are mentioned here? One of the key strengths of OpenStreetMap is that there is no approval proces

Re: [Tagging] designated bike lane

2011-01-01 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sat, 01 Jan 2011 10:36:54 -0500 Greg Troxel wrote: > If part of the goal is advocacy for bike safety, then I think it makes > sense to find a cycling organization, like http://www.bikeleague.org/ > and to find out what their standards are for cycle lane safety, and > then to have a scheme to r

Re: [Tagging] designated bike lane

2011-01-01 Thread Richard Welty
On 1/1/11 2:17 PM, Robert Elsenaar wrote: "hazard:bicycle" is the other way round. If there is a key/value e.g. "hazard=narrow" then you can easily use "cycleway:hazard=narrow" to tag the fact that the hazard tag is specificly warns for a narrow cycle-lane. highway=* cycleway:right=lane cycle

Re: [Tagging] designated bike lane

2011-01-01 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Robert Elsenaar wrote: > "hazard:bicycle" is the other way round. If there is a key/value e.g. > "hazard=narrow" then you can easily use "cycleway:hazard=narrow" to tag the > fact that the hazard tag is specificly warns for a narrow cycle-lane. > > highway=* > cycle

Re: [Tagging] designated bike lane

2011-01-01 Thread Robert Elsenaar
"hazard:bicycle" is the other way round. If there is a key/value e.g. "hazard=narrow" then you can easily use "cycleway:hazard=narrow" to tag the fact that the hazard tag is specificly warns for a narrow cycle-lane. highway=* cycleway:right=lane cycleway:width=0.5 cycleway:hazard=narrow I thin

[Tagging] Ultimate list of approved keys

2011-01-01 Thread Robert Elsenaar
Hi, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features lists a certain portion of approved tags. - Why only a part of all approved tags are mentioned here? - Where should I go to find the ultimate list of approved tags? -Robert- ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Subjective Tags was: designated bike lane

2011-01-01 Thread john
I think that adding a hazard=xyz tag is a good suggestion. A bike-route renderer could then allow someone considering a ride to decide which hazards they were willing to accept, and which to avoid, and adjust the suggested route accordingly. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [Tagging]

Re: [Tagging] designated bike lane

2011-01-01 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Richard Welty wrote: > so the safety/hazard factor is sometimes a judgmental issue. > i know that there are some freshly painted bike lanes on US 4 > in East Greenbush where i'd be tempted to put something > like > > hazard=sewer_grate > > if such a tag existed I'v

Re: [Tagging] Subjective Tags was: designated bike lane

2011-01-01 Thread Dave F.
On 01/01/2011 18:09, Richard Welty wrote: On 1/1/11 12:40 PM, Anthony wrote: On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Richard Welty wrote: On 1/1/11 11:52 AM, Anthony wrote: On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Greg Troxelwrote: By trying to objectively tag the reality (not entirely possible of cour

Re: [Tagging] Why addr:state rather than is_in:state? (response to 2010-12-26 05:29:46)

2011-01-01 Thread Robert Elsenaar
Sorry for this little off-topic remark. In my remark "addr" is the main tag or main key. "state" is the sub tag or sub key. The symbol ":" indicates that "state" is telling something about "addr". I was wandering why this way of defining some objects in more detail is not a more common method a

Re: [Tagging] designated bike lane

2011-01-01 Thread Richard Welty
On 1/1/11 12:40 PM, Anthony wrote: On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Richard Welty wrote: On 1/1/11 11:52 AM, Anthony wrote: On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Greg Troxelwrote: By trying to objectively tag the reality (not entirely possible of course), we also avoid all the debates about wh

Re: [Tagging] designated bike lane

2011-01-01 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Richard Welty wrote: > On 1/1/11 11:52 AM, Anthony wrote: >> >> On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Greg Troxel  wrote: >>> >>> By trying to objectively tag the reality (not entirely possible of >>> course), we also avoid all the debates about what is and isn't safe i

Re: [Tagging] designated bike lane

2011-01-01 Thread Richard Welty
On 1/1/11 11:52 AM, Anthony wrote: On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Greg Troxel wrote: By trying to objectively tag the reality (not entirely possible of course), we also avoid all the debates about what is and isn't safe in general, and where the dividing line is. In this case I'm not even su

Re: [Tagging] designated bike lane

2011-01-01 Thread john
It does look like, even if the bicycle itself fit entirely within the bike lane, the left side of the rider's body would be over the line into the driving lane. I remember once seeing a photograph of a bike lane in Holland that was even worse; the lane narrowed to less than a foot wide, along t

Re: [Tagging] designated bike lane

2011-01-01 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Greg Troxel wrote: > By trying to objectively tag the reality (not entirely possible of > course), we also avoid all the debates about what is and isn't safe in > general, and where the dividing line is. In this case I'm not even sure it's physically possible for

Re: [Tagging] designated bike lane

2011-01-01 Thread Greg Troxel
I agree with the notion of not having surprises, but I think going down the path of judgement about bike lanes being inadequate and not tagging them is going to lead to a mess. I lean towards saying if there is a cycle lane painted on the road (and more or less if the road authority says there is

Re: [Tagging] designated bike lane

2011-01-01 Thread Greg Troxel
I agree with the notion of not having surprises, but I think going down the path of judgement about bike lanes being inadequate and not tagging them is going to lead to a mess. I lean towards saying if there is a cycle lane painted on the road (and more or less if the road authority says there is

Re: [Tagging] designated bike lane

2011-01-01 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 9:13 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 8:54 AM, Dave F. wrote: >> Is the adjacent path shared? if so, note that that would be the safer >> passage. > > It's a sidewalk, and it's most likely not safer because of the > upcoming intersection, which appears t

Re: [Tagging] designated bike lane

2011-01-01 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 8:54 AM, Dave F. wrote: > Is the adjacent path shared? if so, note that that would be the safer > passage. It's a sidewalk, and it's most likely not safer because of the upcoming intersection, which appears to have a right turn (across the sidewalk) to access the toll road

Re: [Tagging] designated bike lane

2011-01-01 Thread Dave F.
On 01/01/2011 13:08, Ed Hillsman wrote: On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 5:27 PM, Anthonyhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging>> wrote: >/ Any suggestions how to tag this? />/ http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:IMG_7491.JPG/ If the "lane" is too narrow to function safely as a bike lane,

Re: [Tagging] designated bike lane

2011-01-01 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 8:08 AM, Ed Hillsman wrote: > On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 5:27 PM, Anthony wrote: >> Any suggestions how to tag this? >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:IMG_7491.JPG > > If the "lane" is too narrow to function safely as a bike lane, then I would > break the street way a

Re: [Tagging] designated bike lane

2011-01-01 Thread Ed Hillsman
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 5:27 PM, Anthony wrote: > Any suggestions how to tag this? > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:IMG_7491.JPG If the "lane" is too narrow to function safely as a bike lane, then I would break the street way at this point, code the portion of the way that has the fu