Re: [Tagging] No proposal labeling

2010-08-29 Thread Matthias Meißer
multitude of options to choose from Yes ok but the problem with this options is that the brainstorming process is so distributed and for every channel you need logon etc. For me for example I dont like mailinglists that much just cause of the push communication form. So I thaught that the

Re: [Tagging] No proposal labeling

2010-08-29 Thread edodd
> Am 29. August 2010 11:05 schrieb Matthias Meißer : >> So how do you design a tag in a team without the proposal process? > > > you find something that is not yet documented on the wiki and ask on > the mailing list. If you propose something, discuss it on the mailing > list. > > You can also sim

Re: [Tagging] No proposal labeling

2010-08-29 Thread Cartinus
On Sunday 29 August 2010 23:24:37 Matthias Meißer wrote: > Ok but IMHO this channel should be usable for the most people and allow > a team based working right? So a wiki is good, isn't it? No, a wiki is one of a multitude of options to choose from on a case by case base. It is not good for it to

Re: [Tagging] No proposal labeling

2010-08-29 Thread Matthias Meißer
Ok but IMHO this channel should be usable for the most people and allow a team based working right? So a wiki is good, isn't it? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] No proposal labeling

2010-08-29 Thread Cartinus
On Sunday 29 August 2010 22:12:09 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Am 29. August 2010 11:05 schrieb Matthias Meißer : > > So how do you design a tag in a team without the proposal process? > > you find something that is not yet documented on the wiki and ask on > the mailing list. If you propose someth

Re: [Tagging] No proposal labeling

2010-08-29 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
Am 29. August 2010 11:05 schrieb Matthias Meißer : > So how do you design a tag in a team without the proposal process? you find something that is not yet documented on the wiki and ask on the mailing list. If you propose something, discuss it on the mailing list. You can also simply use a tag.

Re: [Tagging] natural protection tag new proposal comments

2010-08-29 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/28 Xan : > Hi, > I made a new proposal of natural_protection tag (section new proposal of > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Key:natural_protection). > > Can you comment it? I'm still a newbee so before making a definitive > proposed page, I want to know your opinion

Re: [Tagging] Non Proposed Features

2010-08-29 Thread Matthias Meißer
I not sure if this has anything todo more with proposed features... Matthias ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Relation for saying "x is attached to y"?

2010-08-29 Thread Sebastian Klein
Tom Chance wrote: Hi there, I want a way of creating an object for an energy generator and then saying "this is on top of / inside this building object". Here is an example of one such object: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/35802300 I checked on the wiki page and couldn't see any e

Re: [Tagging] Street names

2010-08-29 Thread Pieren
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 4:07 PM, Mike N. wrote: > When tagging a street name and it seems that the street signs are incorrect > - all businesses on that street use the alternate spelling as their street > address - which name to use? > > Using the 'Correct name" is confusing when navigating to t

Re: [Tagging] How do you map handicapped parking? (and other questions)

2010-08-29 Thread Peter Wendorff
On 29.08.2010 07:04, Nathan Edgars II wrote: There doesn't seem to be a tag on the wiki for either handicapped parking spots in a larger lot or a dedicated handicapped lot. use capacity:disabled=n for that. If these slots are at a specific place inside a bigger area, tag it additionally there

Re: [Tagging] Relation for saying "x is attached to y"?

2010-08-29 Thread Pieren
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > > Perhaps a site relation? I'm not sure it's necessary; any application > that needs that information can calculate whether the polygons > overlap. > > Yes, the topology shows what is "inside" or "outside" the polygon. And you can use the

Re: [Tagging] Non Proposed Features

2010-08-29 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Cartinus wrote: > On Sunday 29 August 2010 11:27:03 Nathan Edgars II wrote: >> > Then we got the people who like pointless discussions that wanted to >> > change something they were not even mapping. >> >> I've used bridge=culvert and tunnel=culvert since long bef

Re: [Tagging] Non Proposed Features

2010-08-29 Thread Cartinus
On Sunday 29 August 2010 11:27:03 Nathan Edgars II wrote: > > Then we got the people who like pointless discussions that wanted to > > change something they were not even mapping. > > I've used bridge=culvert and tunnel=culvert since long before the > recent discussion. You are user NE2 not? Then

[Tagging] Street names

2010-08-29 Thread Mike N.
When tagging a street name and it seems that the street signs are incorrect - all businesses on that street use the alternate spelling as their street address - which name to use? Using the 'Correct name" is confusing when navigating to the street because the street sign won't exactly match

Re: [Tagging] How do you map handicapped parking? (and other questions)

2010-08-29 Thread Pieren
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 8:51 AM, John Smith wrote: > On 29 August 2010 16:40, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > > Yes, pavilions can have walls. But do they usually? Do you have a > > better suggestion for what I and the park department call a pavilion? > > Not really, walls=yes/no ? > > This question is

Re: [Tagging] Relation for saying "x is attached to y"?

2010-08-29 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 5:32 AM, Tom Chance wrote: > Hi there, > I want a way of creating an object for an energy generator and then saying > "this is on top of / inside this building object". Here is an example of one > such object: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/35802300 > I checked o

[Tagging] Relation for saying "x is attached to y"?

2010-08-29 Thread Tom Chance
Hi there, I want a way of creating an object for an energy generator and then saying "this is on top of / inside this building object". Here is an example of one such object: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/35802300 I checked on the wiki page and couldn't see any established or proposed

Re: [Tagging] Non Proposed Features

2010-08-29 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 4:40 AM, Cartinus wrote: > On Sunday 29 August 2010 07:59:51 John Smith wrote: >> however the current suggestion of a do-ocracy seems doomed to >> end in endless/pointless disputes as well, take a look at the most >> recent pointless thread over culverts. > > That is actual

Re: [Tagging] Non Proposed Features

2010-08-29 Thread John Smith
On 29 August 2010 18:59, Cartinus wrote: >> It might work fine in this case, however if it's a bad idea, for what >> ever reason, and it needs to be changed in future, it's almost >> impossible at present. So the point at which tags are created is the >> only point in general to have these discuss

Re: [Tagging] No proposal labeling

2010-08-29 Thread Matthias Meißer
Come on let's keep emotions out of here ;) It doesn't seem like you've thought this through very well, nor developed this proposal in a team and your suggestion seems to be in conflict and you don't have a very clear proposal page so you better tag your own page as having no proposal, it seems t

Re: [Tagging] Non Proposed Features

2010-08-29 Thread Cartinus
On Sunday 29 August 2010 10:45:21 John Smith wrote: > On 29 August 2010 18:40, Cartinus wrote: > > That is actually not an example of the do-ocracy way. Because the people > > that do (those who tagged culverts) had pretty much united behind > > culvert=yes. > > It might work fine in this case, ho

Re: [Tagging] No proposal labeling

2010-08-29 Thread Cartinus
What exactly did you not understand when I explained this to you earlier? I'll try it with short sentences this time. The proposal system is broken completely. So broken it is unfixable. Because of that, the proposal system is ignored by the vast majority of mappers. So for a tag to have a pro

Re: [Tagging] Non Proposed Features

2010-08-29 Thread John Smith
On 29 August 2010 18:40, Cartinus wrote: > That is actually not an example of the do-ocracy way. Because the people that > do (those who tagged culverts) had pretty much united behind culvert=yes. It might work fine in this case, however if it's a bad idea, for what ever reason, and it needs to b

Re: [Tagging] No proposal labeling

2010-08-29 Thread John Smith
2010/8/29 Matthias Meißer : > What I try to improve is the Wiki, just the wiki and within this step the > map features related pages. It doesn't seem like you've thought this through very well, nor developed this proposal in a team and your suggestion seems to be in conflict and you don't have a v

Re: [Tagging] Non Proposed Features

2010-08-29 Thread Cartinus
On Sunday 29 August 2010 07:59:51 John Smith wrote: > however the current suggestion of a do-ocracy seems doomed to > end in endless/pointless disputes as well, take a look at the most > recent pointless thread over culverts. That is actually not an example of the do-ocracy way. Because the people

Re: [Tagging] No proposal labeling

2010-08-29 Thread Matthias Meißer
Ok I think we are turning into a cicle. > So you are planning to tag pages as having no proposal if they, are > less used or provokes conflict? > What has any of that have to do with having a proposal page at all What I try to improve is the Wiki, just the wiki and within this step the map fea

Re: [Tagging] No proposal labeling

2010-08-29 Thread John Smith
2010/8/29 Matthias Meißer : > Plase have a look at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:No_proposal > which explains why a page is so labeled. So you are planning to tag pages as having no proposal if they, are less used or provokes conflict? What has any of that have to do with having a p

Re: [Tagging] No proposal labeling

2010-08-29 Thread John Smith
2010/8/29 Matthias Meißer : > Cause the mentioned facts hit. So we can have an overview tool to manage the > map feature list better. How does having a proposal page help with this at all? >> Why is it so important that there is any proposal page? > > It's not. As explained on the template page

Re: [Tagging] No proposal labeling

2010-08-29 Thread Matthias Meißer
what do you think that "no proposal" means? it point's that there is no proposal and there are additional problems. does it mean that it is not official? What does official mean exactly? does it mean that a tag is commonly used and its meaning is commonly understood and still not documented? d

Re: [Tagging] No proposal labeling

2010-08-29 Thread Matthias Meißer
Why do such pages need to be tagged as such? Cause the mentioned facts hit. So we can have an overview tool to manage the map feature list better. Why is it so important that there is any proposal page? It's not. As explained on the template page itself we try to give the wiki an better orde