Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

On 6/28/10 7:46 PM, Liz wrote: I don't have a problem with marking what sports are played where. I don't have a complaint about being accurate with tagging, but sometimes I have to prefer one use of an area over another, because we cannot parallel tag with this API. Considering the use for the

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

On Tue, 29 Jun 2010, Richard Welty wrote: > as a practical matter (mapping football fields), there are only two > relevant ones > in the North America: outdoor fields of 100 yards in length (US college > & pro > games, outdoors), and outdoor fields of 110 yards in length (Canadian). and > i see no

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

On 6/28/10 6:47 PM, John Smith wrote: On 29 June 2010 08:36, Jason Cunningham wrote: Gridiron? I didn't know the there were so many versions of football in North America This shouldn't be surprising since 4 codes of "football" in Australia came from the UK/Ireland, Soccer, Rugby Leag

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Tsunami warning siren?

On Tue, 29 Jun 2010, Cartinus wrote: > On Monday 28 June 2010 03:43:28 John Smith wrote: > > emergency=siren ? > > Anybody else noticed that: > > is already in use as a vehicle type for access restrictions? > > So emergency=siren on a node means

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

Gridiron? I didn't know the there were so many versions of football in North America All this discussion of football by OSM'rs made me think of the following scene from the IT Crowd http://youtu.be/f27IqVo5-Oc Jason On 28 June 2010 23:17, John Smith wrote: > On 29 June 2010 08:10, Stephen Hope

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

On 29 June 2010 08:10, Stephen Hope wrote: > american(gridiron?) It's not smart to swap one ambiguous term for another: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gridiron_football ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/li

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

On 28 June 2010 20:02, Jason Cunningham wrote: > The English rich decided they didnt like using the long 'association > football', and were understandably unhappy about the working class stealing > the term 'football' for the working class game. So the rich English came up > with the term soccer.

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Tsunami warning siren?

On 29 June 2010 05:22, Cartinus wrote: > So emergency=siren on a node means that only emergency vehicles with a working > siren may pass that barrier ;) only when access=emergency is tagged... ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://l

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Tsunami warning siren?

On Monday 28 June 2010 03:43:28 John Smith wrote: > emergency=siren ? Anybody else noticed that: is already in use as a vehicle type for access restrictions? So emergency=siren on a node means that only emergency vehicles with a working siren ma

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

"Pieren" wrote in message news:aanlktik_jws7cgyh5h5zcrci-br8ylyma1dsaq6jz...@mail.gmail.com... On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 7:26 PM, Steve Doerr wrote: > Spurious argument: the A also stands for 'Association'. In other words, > the sport is described in FIFA's name as 'football association', i.e.

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 7:26 PM, Steve Doerr wrote: > Spurious argument: the A also stands for 'Association'. In other words, the > sport is described in FIFA's name as 'football association', i.e. (in > English) 'association football'. > > Are you sure: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_Assoc

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

"pavithran" wrote in message news:aanlktil1pa646nl5-5b3qefo00wzg1w8wiyxinfwi...@mail.gmail.com... Some of the IRC discussion I had said that its 'ambiguous' though I don't agree to the ambiguous property because even americans play for FIFA where the F means Football Spurious argument: the A

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

Well done, and I'll try and add something to it. jason On 28 June 2010 13:07, John Smith wrote: > On 28 June 2010 21:41, Peteris Krisjanis wrote: > > Well, I think no one oppose this. Maybe we can collect list of other > > football wariants so list would be complete and therefore valid. > > ht

Re: [Tagging] sport=rugby

I don't think there is an easy solution, and I think we should just go back and do it properly as you suggested. I guess this means an edit to the wiki football page and creating a ruby_union and rugby_league page Jason On 28 June 2010 13:11, John Smith wrote: > Currently the neither the sport

Re: [Tagging] 'name' variation tags standardisation

On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Cartinus wrote: > On Saturday 26 June 2010 06:18:08 Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > > name:alt:de is the German translation of the alternate name > > name:de:alt is an alternate German name > > You really expect that people can keep something like that straight? > I

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010/6/28 John Smith : > On 28 June 2010 21:41, Peteris Krisjanis wrote: >> Well, I think no one oppose this. Maybe we can collect list of other >> football wariants so list would be complete and therefore valid. > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Football Nice, thanks. Peter. _

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010/6/28 Vincent Pottier : > The discussion is finaly : what to put in the JOSM preset. > > I just drew a square. I have selected "Pré-réglages > Sports > Sports de > balle > football" and the tag I hhave got is "sport=soccer" > > I have drawn an other square. I have selected "Pré-réglages > Sport

[Tagging] sport=rugby

Currently the neither the sport wiki page nor the sport=rugby wiki page define what sport=rugby actually is, and I can't find anything for 'union' or 'league' so I don't think this has been documented properly. While I assume the current tag is for rugby union, and one solution to this might be to

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

On 28 June 2010 21:41, Peteris Krisjanis wrote: > Well, I think no one oppose this. Maybe we can collect list of other > football wariants so list would be complete and therefore valid. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Football ___ Tagging mailing li

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

Am 28.06.2010 13:31, schrieb Richard Mann: > On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:56 AM, John Smith > wrote: >> On 28 June 2010 19:34, Richard Mann >> wrote: >>> "football" for American Football, since the most likely meaning if >>> someone tags sport=football (in spite of the wiki advice not to) is >>> t

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

> 1) JOSM should use sport=american_football, not the "do not use" > sport=football > 2) I'll add sport=american_football to the wiki. I don't think it > needs a proposal or vote, frankly, but if anyone cares to go through > that loop, feel free to revert my edit and set it up. Well, I think no o

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

On 28 June 2010 21:31, Richard Mann wrote: > 2) I'll add sport=american_football to the wiki. I don't think it > needs a proposal or vote, frankly, but if anyone cares to go through > that loop, feel free to revert my edit and set it up. Next one to fix is sport=rugby :)

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:56 AM, John Smith wrote: > On 28 June 2010 19:34, Richard Mann > wrote: >> "football" for American Football, since the most likely meaning if >> someone tags sport=football (in spite of the wiki advice not to) is >> that they mean Association Football. > > I disagree, i

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ? - OSM ambiguity

2010/6/28 John Smith : > On 28 June 2010 18:56, Gianfranco Gliozzo > wrote: >> abandon point 2 and decide a standard either british or american english or >> a OSM lingo, but I do not like this. > > The problem is people are assuming key/values are supposed to be in > any language, when they're a

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

Le 28/06/2010 10:42, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer a écrit : 2010/6/28 Jason Cunningham: Yes, the wiki needs to be changed to tell people not to use the insulting word 'soccer', especially as we try to use British English to stop tags getting confusing. -1, no the wiki is documenting the actua

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010/6/28 Peteris Krisjanis : > Martin, I see alias tags as way to phase out old tag and replace it > with new one. I'd love this to work out but unfortunately in the past this never worked and resulted always in more confusion than before because new tags never managed to completely replace old

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

On 28 June 2010 20:25, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I know, but the more aliases we are introducing, the more our data > gets inconsistent / complex to analyse. Should we encourage aliases > for every tag we are using? IMHO no. While it seems mostly pointless in this situation, I'm guessing alias

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010/6/28 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer : > 2010/6/28 John Smith : >> On 28 June 2010 20:20, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: >>> or maybe all three versions and some other versions as well that >>> weren't thought of right now. Why should using our data be easy? >> >> highway=path already gave alias tagging a pr

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010/6/28 John Smith : > On 28 June 2010 20:20, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> or maybe all three versions and some other versions as well that >> weren't thought of right now. Why should using our data be easy? > > highway=path already gave alias tagging a precedent, so there is no > reason you ca

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

On 28 June 2010 20:20, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > or maybe all three versions and some other versions as well that > weren't thought of right now. Why should using our data be easy? highway=path already gave alias tagging a precedent, so there is no reason you can't have 2 tags that mean the sa

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Peteris Krisjanis wrote: > > Or there could be third way - just propose sport=association_football > as alias of sport=soccer and use it from now on. I think this would be > best way to deal with it. > > No, use the official name 'association_football' as the offi

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010/6/28 Peteris Krisjanis : > Or there could be third way - just propose sport=association_football > as alias of sport=soccer and use it from now on. I think this would be > best way to deal with it. or maybe all three versions and some other versions as well that weren't thought of right now.

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

> I would be confident in sport=soccer at some point resulting in large > amounts of vandalism to OSM. > > So I suggest, football=association_football So there are two suggestions: 1) current one, avoid using sport = football and use sport=soccer,rugby,etc. (sorry, but I don't buy insult argument,

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

It looks like the class struggle you are trying to revive is long over in most of the british OSM mappers. Or maybe the intersection between "british football supporters" and osm mappers is to little :) Because even famous Wembley Stadium is tagged with sport=soccer http://www.openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

Stephen, you missed the point I was making. I dont agree with sport=football because, as you say, there are numerous versions of football out there. What I have brought into the discussion is soccer is considered an insulting word for 'association football' for 'football supporters' in the UK. In

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

On 28 June 2010 19:34, Richard Mann wrote: > "football" for American Football, since the most likely meaning if > someone tags sport=football (in spite of the wiki advice not to) is > that they mean Association Football. I disagree, if you said sport=football to people in Australia it literally m

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

On 28 June 2010 19:47, Peteris Krisjanis wrote: > Well, let's add then sport=american_football then? Propose it and I > think most of us will vote for it. And then add a page for sport=football and just football pointing to all the different sports named football by various people in the world.

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010/6/28 Richard Mann : > The only thing missing on the wiki, as far as I could see, was > something sensible for American Football. It is not sensible to use > "football" for American Football, since the most likely meaning if > someone tags sport=football (in spite of the wiki advice not to) is

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

Am 28.06.2010 11:27, Peteris Krisjanis: The reason why I hate these disscussions because most of arguments are for arguments sake, not for seeking middle ground, making a consensus, changing wiki if necessary and moving on. And don't tell me it's not possible - it is - just it feels that*almost*

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

The only thing missing on the wiki, as far as I could see, was something sensible for American Football. It is not sensible to use "football" for American Football, since the most likely meaning if someone tags sport=football (in spite of the wiki advice not to) is that they mean Association Footba

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010/6/28 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer : > 2010/6/28 Pieren : >> Just note that 'soccer' and 'football' seem to be both present in JOSM >> presets... > > > +1, and please note that the icon for "football" shows a handegg. > > >> Anyway, I will not fight for such tags but it seems that in this list, some >>

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Tsunami warning siren?

On 28 June 2010 19:12, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2010/6/28 John Smith : >> emergency=siren ? >> >> I'm sure this sort of thing deserves it's own category. > > > +1, and some subtag if the reason/function is specific (siren=tsunami > or siren=storm_warning or something similar and more English).

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010/6/28 Pieren : > Just note that 'soccer' and 'football' seem to be both present in JOSM > presets... +1, and please note that the icon for "football" shows a handegg. > Anyway, I will not fight for such tags but it seems that in this list, some > people are always agains changes "because it

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Tsunami warning siren?

2010/6/28 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer : > 2010/6/28 John Smith : >> emergency=siren ? >> >> I'm sure this sort of thing deserves it's own category. > > > +1, and some subtag if the reason/function is specific (siren=tsunami > or siren=storm_warning or something similar and more English). > +1 too, but I t

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

On 28 June 2010 19:09, Pieren wrote: > Just note that 'soccer' and 'football' seem to be both present in JOSM > presets... > Anyway, I will not fight for such tags but it seems that in this list, some > people are always agains changes "because it is documented like that in the > wiki". Just askin

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Tsunami warning siren?

2010/6/28 John Smith : > emergency=siren ? > > I'm sure this sort of thing deserves it's own category. +1, and some subtag if the reason/function is specific (siren=tsunami or siren=storm_warning or something similar and more English). cheers, Martin

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ? - OSM ambiguity

On 28 June 2010 18:56, Gianfranco Gliozzo wrote: > abandon point 2 and decide a standard either british or american english or > a OSM lingo, but I do not like this. The problem is people are assuming key/values are supposed to be in any language, when they're actually for computers to do somethi

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:42 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer < dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote: > > -1 > > Just note that 'soccer' and 'football' seem to be both present in JOSM presets... Anyway, I will not fight for such tags but it seems that in this list, some people are always agains changes "because

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ? - OSM ambiguity

Brilliant! > http://www.saasta.fi/saasta/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/handegg.jpg May I use it? Anyway, going seriously I think Martin has been misunderstood. In Italy we currently use "calcio" our federation is F.I.G.C. That means literaly Federation.

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010/6/28 Jason Cunningham : > Yes, the wiki needs to be changed to tell people not to use the insulting > word 'soccer', especially as we try to use British English to stop tags > getting confusing. -1, no the wiki is documenting the actual usage of tags, it is not an authority to change the com

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010/6/28 pavithran : > On 27 June 2010 17:55, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> >> -1, AFAIK we use soccer in Germany, Italy and probably elsewhere, >> while football refers to american football (looking at the icons, >> preset icons, etc.). > > http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soccer redirected to > htt

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

pavithran (pavithra...@gmail.com) wrote: Italian term is definitely ambiguous http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football says something that its an 'english term' Going slightly OT, but Italian uses the word "calcio" normally, literally "kick". I've rarely heard anyone use the word "football" or

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

On 28 June 2010 12:43, Vincent Pottier wrote: > Just a thought : > Aks people throughout the wordl : "What sort of sport is play d actualy in > South Africa" for the "Mundial". > I'm quite shure the dominant answer would be "football". +1 Well I am prejudiced because in India we dont even play am

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

On 27 June 2010 17:55, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > -1, AFAIK we use soccer in Germany, Italy and probably elsewhere, > while football refers to american football (looking at the icons, > preset icons, etc.). http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soccer redirected to http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fußball

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

Le 28/06/2010 08:57, Richard Fairhurst a écrit : Liz wrote: Where I live there are FOUR games played all called "football". Only one really uses the feet on the ball http://www.saasta.fi/saasta/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/handegg.jpg cheers Richard Just a thought : Aks people thr