Chris Little wrote:
>
> Karl Kleinpaste wrote:
>> Spare us the "they're not *really* ThML" whining. I don't care that
>> they're specifically ThML. When I first started producing Sword modules
>> 2 years ago, I was using GBF.
>
> The issue is you're too lazy to even run tidy on your HTML.
I g
Daniel Owens wrote:
> This discussion (despite the occasional vitriolic accusation or personal
> attack) is really important. There are two issues at stake--one is technical
> (and this discussion is producing collaboration on that), but the other is
> administrative, related to module creation,
Adrian Korten wrote:
> Good day,
>
> I'd like to test creating some OSIS modules for Sword in SE Asian
> languages. I downloaded the osis2mod.exe but it does not work.
> Could someone either tell me how to use it or help with fixing the .exe?
Never used the windows version, but my Linux versio
Chris Little wrote:
> The OSISRuby filters are in SVN now. Please play with them (and one of
> the Japanese Bibles) if you have the ability.
there is some serious problem right now with the API vs frontends dt
partially implemented but not complete genbook bibles etc.
So GS is build against -r21
LOL Chris!!!
I really was not sure whether you were serious about that suggestion or
not, but I guess now you were. I will give it a go sometime.
ok 2 things.
1) [EMAIL PROTECTED] needs to be received by a much wider group. Who
is controlling this? It should be a core group of people, all with
r
Chris Little wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] is not a discussion list. It's for receipt and
> release of content, occasionally with the necessity of providing
> feedback regarding errors.
I am fully aware of this. My post was clear on that.
> I do and will continue to do my best to
> manage the inc
Chris Little wrote:
> I think these are Peter's descriptions. I'll try to divine their meaning
> and give something a bit more clear.
>
>> Any eternal loops or other structural problems? (What does this mean?)
>
> I don't know why this is the label. It sounds like a reference to
> problems
jhphx wrote:
> Perhaps there could be a place for authors to submit modules for
> validating, or even prevalidating, before they are submit to your queue.
> It could be a place for the more neophyte to partner with more skilled
> volunteers. This of course assumes that there would be, at least a
Daniel Owens wrote:
> Could someone who has the permissions create a wii page for OSIS
> genbooks? I will fill it out, but I can't create the page and links. If
> you'd rather not put a link to it until it's got content, that's fine,
> just send me the url.
what do you mean you have no rights t
Brian J. Dumont wrote:
> Chris Little wrote:
>
>> A second issue you raised, concerning standard meta workID values: What
>> should we go with?
>>
>> You mention:
>> bible:
>> strong:
>> self:
>>
>>
> If I understand you right, these would give the ability to like to
> Scripture verses,
Daniel Owens wrote:
> Familie von Kaehne wrote:
>> I also suggest that we add some wiki pages on how to create and maintain
>> your own repo.
>>
>
> Boy, if you could do this Peter, it would be a great help. I did address
> this question yesterday or the day before, but nobody responded to it
Further request for details
What is the Mac zip directory about? The zip files extract into a
director called module_name.swd inside of which is a sword-style
structure of mods.d and modules.
Peter
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Greg Hellings wrote:
> This format is specific to the MacSword versions of the past. IIRC,
> MacSword is moving away from this system and into a system more in
> line with the other versions of SWORD front-ends.
So should I advise on the wiki still that this should be included or not?
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Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
> Peter,
>
> Thank you so much for starting this. You have lots of great
> information. Here are my 2p :)
Thanks. this is incorporated. Now, what about the winzip modules - how
are they created, what is the non sword content in them?
Peter
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Chris Little wrote:
>
> DM Smith wrote:
>> In an earlier posting I noted that without the ability to get the
>> source it can be very difficult to tell where the problem originated.
>> Most of our conf's don't give good enough links to the material. IMHO,
>> we should give the web page on wh
Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
> Bible.org ... are also very keen to add more of their content into their
> SWORD
> Remote Module Repository.
>
> How about the latter of reviewing their content and possibly helping
> them decide which would be most easily adaptable for our software?
>
Off hand they
Dear all,
Attached is a patch to libsword to include an arabic vowel filter.
Essentially this is a monkey patch - I aped everything relating to the
hebrewpoints filter without by necessity understanding it all. After all
I have little or no clue of programming.
The filter itself - yes I think I
For x in all_my_files do
run transform script on module X.
Peter
Wolfgang Schultz wrote:
> Hello,
>
> the Zefania XML Bible Markup Language Project on Sourceforge plans to
> convert all of their files to OSIS with the Crosswire Script
> zef2osis.pl located on
>
> ftp://ftp.crosswir
Hi,
Following previous discussions on the list I have started reworking the front
page of the project. I have no ambitions as a web designer, but simply wanted
to update the page, remove dead links (micros, diatheke CGI, BibleStudy) and
add links to active projects which compile on the current
gt; More broadly, we might want to go with a 2 column (plus the existing
> sidebar) layout. As it is, I've got a very long page, but with a lot of
> whitespace.
I will see what I can do. The current layout is a massive table. I will
see whether i can get a basic CSS column design going.
Oh
There are two main determinants for choice of programme - platform and
translations. My suggestion is that I somehow incorporate the number of
languages a particular programmme is translated in. Not sure.
Peter
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OK, now the frontpage is _really_ unwieldy ;-)
I have listened to the various comments and have re-incorporated all
sword applications but for the truly and irredeemably dead ones. I will
find a solution for the Palm ones. I do think BpBible should stay in.
Maybe we can convince them to upgrad
As you know I am busy to revamp the frontpage. I have added a set of
links to obtain help. Options are to post on the fora, email to
crosswire-suppport or chat on IRC (using the mibbit client)
If you click the actual icon it will take you to the fora. But this is
simply prelim and I want to get co
Daniel Owens wrote:
> It IS unwieldy.
I decided to do two things -
1) get this page uptodate.
2) try and redesign in a separate page
My web writing, CSS and JSp skills are minimal, so what I will do will
be long winded and hard work before it becomes remotely useful. So what
I put up here shoul
Following the various trails to applications I never had looked at
before I went to Flashcards.
Now where is http://crosswire.org/fc ? I vaguely remember Troy showing
it off to DM on IRC, but maybe I am wrong. Is there a way of making this
link again active?
Peter
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Ben Morgan wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 3:16 AM, Peter von Kaehne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> So, please do send me something - otherwise I might make it all up
>> and then let it all rot for another 5 years... ;-)
> I'm not sure whether the winking smile
There is plenty of confusion here. We often use Crosswire and Sword
interchangeably on the site, which is fine probably in most contexts,
but it becomes confusing for someone new who is hopping through the site
cluelessly.
I would suggest moving certain pages out of the sword site into the
Crosswi
Ben Morgan wrote:
> Anyway, I don't want to start an argument on this. We've had quite enough of
> those lately :)
Indeed
> If you want, you can put my position down to me only knowing one language,
> and that English ;)
Indeed. And the result of this is that you overestimate the ability of
peop
jhphx wrote:
> Brian wrote:
>> Should we have a "crosswire.ru" site?
>
> One of the good things about open source projects is that by nature they
> encourage horizontal development instead of only vertical.
I think this is the case. And we are seeing it. Daniel Owens, David
Haslam and I are -
sponse, solely expressed some upset about his blurb never being
updated in the past. I guess though that his focus has shifted and he is
disinterested.
Thoughts?
Peter von Kaehne wrote:
> jhphx wrote:
>> Brian wrote:
>>> Should we have a "crosswire.ru" site?
>> O
Dear all,
Last night I ripped a copy of the front page apart and put it back
together again, but now with a largely CSS based design instead of a
table based one (tables are still used, but are not providing anymore
the skeleton.
It looks pretty much the same (took a while), but is now I think mo
menudemo.htm
> and read about GRC's Script-Free Pure-CSS Menuing System designed by Steve
> Gibson.
>
> "All of this work has been placed into the Public Domain. We hope that it
> will be of use and benefit to anyone wishing to adapt this system for their
> own use."
Daniel Owens wrote:
> I hadn't noticed the change, but looking at the changelog tells me the
> change isn't drastic, mainly additions of new markers. I will look over
> usfm2osis.pl when I get a chance, but it doesn't cover all the markers
> available in USFM as it is.
I just stumbled with the
Dear All,
After a last late night session with Troy to hammer out wording and some
design flaws the new website for CrossWire is up and running.
I have incorporated a lot of the ideas etc which were mentioned on the list.
I am sure (actually I am aware of some) there are enough problems left
wit
Just had a look with IE6 at the page and got a shock. The margins and
the distribution of the content in the right sided menu is totally
distorted.
I am not sure whether I should be more angry with myself or with MS, but
I never use IE6 and it did not even cross my mind that the simple stuff
I am
Ok, the offending items in css for IE6 were threefold:
">" for direct child does not work
:first-child does not work
and the div borders are something weird which i have not figured yet.
So I have introduced browser sniffing on the server and serve a mildly
divergent CSS for IE (all of them)
It
Chris Little wrote:
> Some other platform notes:
>
> IE7 looks the same as FF3 to me.
IE6 and IE7 are currently filtered out and get a new stylesheet.
> Chrome, Safari Mobile, & Safari (all based on WebKit) look okay, but
> aren't rendering correctly.
There was a mistake in my html. This is n
Stephen Denne wrote:
>> >From http://www.crosswire.org/index.jsp
> Clicking on the mobiles icon went to
> http://www.crosswire.org/index.jsp?section=Handhelds
> But produced a 500 response with this stack trace:
> Going instead to the Windows page, then clicking the mobiles page icon, went
> to t
Chris Little wrote:
> Just a few quick comments:
>
> The page is looking nicely improved. I like that it is mostly visible
> from within a single screenful, with minimal scrolling necessary.
Thanks!
> Most of my complaints probably pertain the the icon bar. There's the
> strange mouseover grow
jhphx wrote:
> It would probably be a good idea to have
> few words to indicate to people like me that the icon bar is a menu for
> finding compatible applications. Something simple, "Select an icon to
> list compatible applications."
Done
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Eeli Kaikkonen wrote:
> It's definetely better, much better!
Thanks!
> One small graphical glitch: When I hover over the platform icons they
> change their shape, namely grow taller. Nothing serious but looks weird
> and disturbing because the whole row changes, not just the single icon.
> Th
Manfred Bergmann wrote:
> Otherwise very nice.
> Short and not overloaded. Texts have the right length. Like it.
Thanks!
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David Haslam wrote:
> Hi Peter,
>
> First impressions are all positive. Here's some feedback.
Thanks
>
> Suggestion: add a site search feature, it probably doesn't need to use
> Javascript, just adapt Google to be a site specific search. It's free!
> After an FAQ, most site visitors use a s
DM Smith wrote:
> Love the design!
Thanks. It is athe old design, cleaned up.
> Some nit-picks.
I was waiting for that ;-)
> Agree with the OS icons being jittery and needing to be made more obvious.
Not jittery anymore, but a nbetter solution which is IE6 firm needs to
be found.
> IMHO, th
To avoid thread overload..
I have addressed practically all issues mentioned yesterday apart from
- those where I disagreed (off site links in the top, no JAVA software
link )
- those which are lowish priority (Site search, fixed top and side menu,
sliding underneath).
All rendering problems (a
Greg Hellings wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Peter von Kaehne wrote:
>>> Agree with the OS icons being jittery and needing to be made more obvious.
>> Not jittery anymore, but a nbetter solution which is IE6 firm needs to
>> be found.
>
> Honestly?
Greg Hellings wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Peter von Kaehne wrote:
>> redirects - I have inserted HTML driven redirects but think it would be
>> better to have this as a server directive like .htacess. Is there a way
>> of doing this in Tomcat?
>
>
Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
> Peter,
>
> Thank you again for owning this. Just a few quick comments.
>
> We have a google site search on the sword page which is really useful
> for searching the mailing list archives (among other things on the
> site). Maybe we could grab it from there.
I notic
Manfred Bergmann wrote:
> Am 11.12.2008 um 21:13 schrieb Peter von Kaehne:
>
>>> If we have a Java section, I'm not sure all the java programs should
>>> also go into all the other groups, as well. I'm not sure what I
>>> think
>>> is b
Ben Morgan wrote:
> I agree that MacSword should be at the top.
It is now
> BPBible does run under Mac (with some slight problems), but I didn't
> have time to package it up properly before the release of 0.4, so anyone
> wanting to use it would have to install python 2.5 and wxPython and
> build
I am redesigning the SWORD website right now.
The SWORD Project has three major parts - Sword Engine, Jsword and
modules. JSword and the overarching project have each their logo. Sword
Engine and e-Library do not.
It would be really useful if someone graphically gifted and with some
sense for his
DM Smith wrote:
> Peter,
> Keeps looking better!
> Just a small comment regarding how I work and given that, how the
> website looks. I have a 17" wide screen laptop (1440x900) and typically,
> I'll make the browser about 1/2 the width of the screen. This has some
> adverse impacts:
> 1) The ban
Chris Little wrote:
>
> Peter von Kaehne wrote:
>> Chris Little wrote:
>>> I don't think
>>> the news section belongs within the CrossWire site as opposed to the
>>> Sword site (but we can discuss that in IRC).
>> Strongly disagree - the news
Chris Little wrote:
>
>
> I'm arguing for the narrow perspective, but I feel like you were arguing
> for an even narrower perspective, where The SWORD Project includes only
> the API--since you included frontends and modules as a wider set of
> topics that the news covers.
My perspective is
Jonathan Morgan wrote:
> More nitpicking (do what you like with it):
>
> "Bible Study Software
>
> We have an abundance of applications, small and large,..."
>
> If the section is entitled "Bible Study Software", I would expect a
> mention of software, rather than talking about applications.
>
Eeli Kaikkonen wrote:
> Choose the icon for your platform: [Linux icon] [Windows icon]
> BibleTime TSPFW GnomeSword ...
ok. I will look into this
> BTW, I don't like the Java section - it's needed only if the Java
> apps run somewhere which is not already covered by other platforms.
Jonathan Morgan wrote:
> Possibly it is worth putting it somewhere, but I don't think it
> deserves a front page mention, and it certainly makes it more text to
> read (which is what I am trying to avoid). It's worth noting that if
> you search for that Crosswire comes up first, but what is highli
DM Smith wrote:
> So, I don't think that a top level Java icon is necessary. Maybe a
> blurb or link link to a page on the main software page would suffice,
> but even that might not be necessary.
Ok, I take your word for that. I will remove the top link and see how I
can incorporate it other
Starting a new thread here, as things become otherwise again to complicated.
Complaints with the version yesterday were
1) Java not necessary
2) a page with all applications needed
3) some sensible way of choosing needed (several suggestions, including
a mockup gratefully received)
4) on narrow s
David Haslam wrote:
> Clicking on http://crosswire.org/applications.jsp
> http://crosswire.org/applications.jsp
>
> just caused
>
>
> HTTP Status 500 -
Sorted
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Eeli Kaikkonen wrote:
> You have already succeeded very well.
Thanks!
>
>> News - I would like to have more feedback on that.
>>
> What would the users want to see? Who they are, why they read our news?
> [..]
True, it is hard to guess.
> Each project would like to have a
> bit more visi
The icon bar is fixed. I hope so at least.
It has captions - thanks to mwtalbert for suggesting this.
It works fine in FF, Opera, IE7 and Chrome
It fails not too maliciously displaywise in IE6 and can presumably still
get improved, but it works well enough on IE6
I replaced some icons which wer
DM Smith wrote:
> Peter,
> You probably know this but the "applications" page is broken. It
> throws a "tomcat" error.
> DM
Sorry about that. Fixed
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Looking through ~sword I found an abundance of directories and pages
many of which are unlinked from anywhere, most are out of date, but some
contain some important stuff.
Maybe others can comment on this list. I have looked through all and put
my assessment to it, insofar as I could come to an a
David Haslam wrote:
> There are two links for Bibleedit in this page.
> http://crosswire.org/index.jsp?section=Others
>
> One of them is broken due to a missing /
Close, but wrong ;-)
I missed the initial www
Sorted.
Thanks for keeping checking.
Peter
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Mike Hart wrote:
> Can we name the library for the bible society? ( i.e. the Crosswire
> Bible Society E-library. )
The module library is part of and (one of the) main focus of the SWORD
project. So I do not think renaming is the issue. It has a good enough name.
Peter
Some brainstorming and advice please.
I am working currently on the module list as it may appear in the new
sword website:
www.crosswire.org/sword/ModDisp.jsp
www.crosswire.org/sword/newpage/library.jsp
This is probably (for me) the most complicated part so far. I want it as
intuitive and fast
That is because Apache did not proxy through to Tomcat, but tried to
read and make sense of JSP pages.
It is working now though.
Peter
David Haslam wrote:
> Not the only error!
>
> The bottom of the page looks like:
>
> <%@ include file="project-blurbs/glosung.jsp" %> <%@ include
> file="proj
Joachim Ansorg wrote:
> Please let me know if the locale
> format has been changed.
>
I think it has in the course of the 1.5.11-> (not yet complete) 1.5.12
revision
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Tom Cornell wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 5:58 PM, Peter von Kaehne wrote:
>> Some brainstorming and advice please.
>>
>> I never liked the internal module names as a presentation item, i think
>> the short description is much more useful for that. I think i would w
Peter von Kaehne wrote:
> Well, I am arguing against that bad habit where ever I encounter it.
>
> It really should not be a visible name - anywhere.
>
> Peter
Maybe this was too short - explanation as follows:
We are working hard at all levels to make this software as w
Gregory Hellings wrote:
> On Dec 16, 2008, at 17:02, Peter von Kaehne wrote:
>
>> Well, I am arguing against that bad habit where ever I encounter it.
>>
>> It really should not be a visible name - anywhere.
>
> I would shy away from that sweeping of a claim. True,
Chris Little wrote:
>
> In addition to these, I recommend adding enDescription, enAbout, Abbr,
> and enAbbr.
>
> We traditionally include English and localized title/about data within
> Description & About entries. The addition of enDescription and enAbout
> would simply divide these, so enDescrip
Chris Little wrote:
> Could you describe how you think all of these values would be used
> practically?
You would basically access them via the set locale.
The preference would be to get a locale appropriate name and if not the
fall back solution which would be English. This is how Gnome does th
> On the side note: does anyone know who are the copyright owner of
> other available locales (chinese zh and zh_CN, and german de) from
> BibleDekstop, so I could ask permission to include those on Alkitab
> Bible Study.
The German was done originally by someone else (do not know who) then
compl
Chris Little wrote:
> Since new module .confs would have module name information in the
> module's own locale (provided it is available), I don't believe there's
> really a case where the system/user locale would ever be used.
I can see many cases - where someone wants to keep a different
language
Daniel Owens wrote:
> Aren't the translations released under the same license as jsword, which
> means you don't need to ask permission? I mean, unless the translators
> made some effort to apply a different license the contributed
> translation is under the same open source license as the rest of
DM Smith wrote:
>
> On Dec 17, 2008, at 4:04 AM, Peter von Kaehne wrote:
>
>>
>> I think an argument could be had for following scheme combining both
>> proposals into following:
>>
>> [Config_entry]_original
>>
>> [Config_entry] [locale] and u
Chris Little wrote:
>
>
> Tom Cornell wrote:
>> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 3:04 AM, Chris Little
>> wrote:
>>> My recommendation was actually that the default be the language of the
>>> module (what I have referred to, perhaps somewhat confusingly, as the
>>> localized name). In the absence of that
DM Smith wrote:
> Chris,
>
> I would like to lobby for a separator between the language code and the
> field name. I don't much care whether it is a prefix or suffix. While I
> understand that you are suggesting that we don't have a deAbbr or
> xxAbbr, I could see that it might be added some time
David Haslam wrote:
> Where on the CrossWire site might I find well-attested lists of the 66
> booknames (or more if we include deuterocanonical works) in many different
> languages?
>
> In the course of my Go Bible activities, I have collected a fair number of
> such lists in the past 21 months.
Chris Little wrote:
>
>
> DM Smith wrote:
>> Chris,
>>
>> I would like to lobby for a separator between the language code and
>> the field name. I don't much care whether it is a prefix or suffix.
>> While I understand that you are suggesting that we don't have a deAbbr
>> or xxAbbr, I could see
Despite my silence on the matter I am still working on the SWORD website
One of the pages where I would appreciate some collective input is
www.crosswire.org/sword/newpage/library?section=Install
This is the old installation page taken into my pages without any
substantial changes. And it is wro
Peter von Kaehne wrote:
> Despite my silence on the matter I am still working on the SWORD website
>
> One of the pages where I would appreciate some collective input is
>
> www.crosswire.org/sword/newpage/library?section=Install
>
> This is the old installation page taken
Ouch, what a can of worms I opened here with a question I thought being
totally uncontentious. :-)
Can I summarise the discussion for the purposes of my webpage:
1) Users should not install modules themselves
2) Users should not install modules themselves
..
10) Users _really_ should *not* inst
> The instructions should say to use the built-in app installer, or otherwise
> download the Windows > package and install it.
Sorry, this is confusing to me right now :
Do you mean with "Windows package" the user should install *BibleCS* or the
*winzip* from the repository?
If form
Thanks DM for the response.
I summarise then further ; The self installing modules do not install to
any standard place and are currently unable to work with non BibleCS.
They are not self installing as such as they still require an unzip and
the 2 stage process is currently undocumented and not u
David Haslam wrote:
> Can this visual weakness be improved somehow? One for Peter, I think.
I would love to, but I have not found a good icon to replace that one.
The problem is that any icon you use there needs to be free in terms of
copyrights etc. If you find one which will somehow convey bet
Barry Drake wrote:
> Hi Troy
>
> Just wondering: the use of a 'pending' directory into which the new
> module is unpacked following opening of a Windows module installer .exe
> is very much BibleCS only.
It is actually quite weird and totally unexpected. Why was this chosen?
> It migh
Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
> Sorry Barry, yes, I forgot to include the request to cause the windows
> installer to not use the InstallScan facility in the SWORD engine. I
> had planned to comment on this.
>
>
> The SWORD Engine also supports notification of new modules installed.
> This was added
DM Smith wrote:
>> That would satisfy the requirement if it still exists anywhere.
>
> This is still Windows centric.
Realistically I think windows is the only place where large scale
non-module installer installation will happen.
Peter
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Eeli Kaikkonen wrote:
> Greg Hellings wrote:
>>
>> Personally I see the joy in this, but it also strikes me as somewhat
>> anti-Windows.
>
> If this really is the case for most of the users, this whole
> conversation has been meaningless - the applications should store the
> modules in app-specif
David Haslam wrote:
> I too am wondering when the wiki will be restored, and I wonder why there was
> no response either.
>
The person responsible is DM.
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DM Smith wrote:
>
> On Dec 20, 2008, at 7:11 AM, Peter von Kaehne wrote:
>
>>
>> The person responsible is DM.
>
> While I am responsible for the wiki, I'm not responsible for the
> upgrade. How's that for blame shifting? :) I didn't see my s
Chris Little wrote:
> News updates are great. I see we had two old news items posted today.
Well they were the newset stuff we had LOL
>
> News updates announcing releases without links are not great.
>
> Please edit your news posts to include links to GS/BD.
>
will do so
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>
> Please edit your news posts to include links to GS/BD.
>
Ouch. That was a really bad idea. There is some bug in the editor which
merged my edit with the other entry on saving
Peter
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I could try and delete, but if that is buggy too then I thing smight get
worse. I remember now that Troy said something about a bug in the
editor, but he ws not sure whether he had fixed it or not. Now we know :-)
Ok. Hold your breath
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fred smith wrote:
> I have a friend who is an Inca from Peru who would LOVE a bible in her
> native language, which is as I understand it Qechua or something like
> that. pronounced sort of "ketch wah".
>
> I see a Sword module named Q'echi' or Kekchi. I don't know one language
> from the next, bu
This discussion has gone a bit beyond to where I expected it to go.
Couple of things:
1) I asserted that the Windows selfextracting Zips are broken. Having
listened to Troy's explanation and checked again + thought matters
through, I would like to withdraw that assertion.
The current self extrac
Tonny Kohar wrote:
> Thanks for the info, it is very appreciated.
> What about this name
> IPD (Indonesian Public Domain), is this name already taken or used in
> some bible ?
On an off-tpoic note - did you manage to get hold of an public domain
Indonesian text? That is wonderful! Apart from Portu
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