Re: [sword-devel] Updating copyrighted modules

2013-01-06 Thread DM Smith
The typical way is to ask on the list. It is possible an old module is an orphan. There are several ways a module is orphaned: The source for the module is no longer available. The module maintainer is no longer willing/able/available to work on the module. This is true regarding any module, esp

Re: [sword-devel] Updating copyrighted modules

2013-01-06 Thread Peter von Kaehne
Original-Nachricht > Datum: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 10:21:41 -0500 > Von: Andrew Thule > An: Chris Burrell , "SWORD Developers\' Collaboration > Forum" > Betreff: Re: [sword-devel] Updating copyrighted modules > Yes, exactly Chris. > > Both Chri

Re: [sword-devel] Updating copyrighted modules

2013-01-06 Thread Chris Little
On 1/6/2013 7:52 AM, Chris Burrell wrote: My point still stands, it would be nice to know who we talk to make fixes to modules. Some submitters elect to sign their modules in the .conf file. Check there for a name and/or email address. In lieu of that, email me at modu...@crosswire.org and I

Re: [sword-devel] Updating copyrighted modules

2013-01-06 Thread Chris Little
Andrew, we've already established that you just plainly don't understand copyright. You think it simply doesn't apply to you if you don't feel like having it apply to you. That's why you are still hosting illegally produced copies of translations of the Dead Sea Scrolls. We established this a w

Re: [sword-devel] Updating copyrighted modules

2013-01-06 Thread Chris Burrell
My point still stands, it would be nice to know who we talk to make fixes to modules. Chris On 6 January 2013 15:45, David Haslam wrote: > There's nothing "fishy" about our distribution notices for works that are > copyright. > > Our wiki states that copyright and distribution licensing agree

Re: [sword-devel] Updating copyrighted modules

2013-01-06 Thread David Haslam
There's nothing "fishy" about our distribution notices for works that are copyright. Our wiki states that copyright and distribution licensing agreements are [to be] lodged by CrossWire. The email address for all such & related communications is copyright AT crosswire DOT org. See http://crossw

Re: [sword-devel] Updating copyrighted modules

2013-01-06 Thread Andrew Thule
Yes, exactly Chris. Both Chris and Peter have publicly accused me of breaking the law (thus tarnishing my reputation, and sullied my efforts to contribute). This implies I've breeched the terms of Crosswire's licensing agreement with the ISV foundation as the Copyright owner. What exactly is the

Re: [sword-devel] Updating copyrighted modules

2013-01-06 Thread Chris Burrell
I think what Andrew meant by "secretive" is that there doesn't seem to be an obvious documented place where there is a link between who owns the relationship with the copyright holder, who generated the module in the first place, and who if different is the person maintaining the module. Chris O

Re: [sword-devel] Updating copyrighted modules

2013-01-06 Thread Peter von Kaehne
> Von: Manfred Bergmann > Am 06.01.2013 um 09:50 schrieb Andrew Thule : > > > The site makes it seem like anyone can contribute to module creation, > modification. > > > > Anyone can contribute to module creation. Thanks, Manfred. Indeed, anyone can. We have hundreds of modules produced by

Re: [sword-devel] Updating copyrighted modules

2013-01-06 Thread Manfred Bergmann
Am 06.01.2013 um 09:50 schrieb Andrew Thule : > The site makes it seem like anyone can contribute to module creation, > modification. > Anyone can contribute to module creation. If the module is finally published/released in our repos is another matter. Modification is normally only done by

Re: [sword-devel] Updating copyrighted modules

2013-01-06 Thread Andrew Thule
Sorry, I was frustrated when I fired off that last email in hast. I would still like an apology, but I have a better idea. I think we're moving towards transparency. Since you and Chris have made my attempts to improve the ISV personal, and you've threatened a number of times to boot me off the

Re: [sword-devel] Updating copyrighted modules

2013-01-06 Thread Andrew Thule
So module development IS restricted to a select and apparently secret group (who know who they are)? You have not quite been honest, transparent, or forthright in this then Peter. How was I suppose to know that was the case?; and yet you've stood my accuser knowing full well that your accusatios

[sword-devel] Updating copyrighted modules

2013-01-06 Thread ref...@gmx.net
Much of what we publish is copyrighted. We obtain detailed clear permission before anything goes on a public server. For the avoidance of doubt I describe the usual process of updating such modules. There is usually a core group member who has negotiated the exact, often highly variable terms