At 04:20 PM 1/19/2003 +0200, Daniel Freedman wrote:
Of course its copyright
Why?
Because the NIV is a translation of the Hebrew and Greek
That is relevant. Because translation is a creative act of expression. Ask
ten people to translate something and get ten new expressions from the
original
Of course its copyright
Why?
Because the NIV is a translation of the Hebrew and Greek
It involves hours of dedication and research
Then people write a translation
Remember the copyright notice inlcudes the phrase: "in any form
whatsoever in any retrieval system, databse mechanical or
electronic.
At 01:31 AM 1/18/2003 -0500, Patrick Narkinsky wrote:
...In general,
databases of factual information are not copyrightable
Be careful with that. Take a digital camera and click the button to make a
picture. At that point what happens is "mechanical", and each pixel
produced conveys a "fac
On Sat, 18 Jan 2003, David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver wrote:
> On Saturday 18 January 2003 04:28 pm, Chris Little wrote:
> > It's essentially because you're enjoying fruits of another's
> > creativity rather than making something up yourself (or enjoying the
> > fruits of the creativity of s
On Saturday 18 January 2003 04:28 pm, Chris Little wrote:
> There is no need to represent the whole story in order to be a derivative
> work. One may represent a single scene, as I described. The drawing on
> the cover of a novel is (if it bears any relation to the content of the
> writing at all
The quotes don't need to be whole verses. You can't copyright individual
words, but a concordance contains every word (or at least far beyond fair
use coverage). Whether they explicitly state the context or not (by
quoting the whole verse, e.g.) context is easily reconstructed.
They rarely c
On Sat, 18 Jan 2003, Daniel Russell wrote:
> Personally i find it hard to believe that most courts would sustain
> these arguments considering the fact that a person can play a rift from
> a song, in fact the exact tune from a song, and change the words, and
> call it a parody.
Contrarily, I c
Joel Mawhorter wrote:
> > I'm not sure if this clears things up, but if you read the NIV copyright
> > page, they specificially state that commentaries and reference works
> > based on the NIV for commercial purposes require written premission from
> > the publisher.
>
> Where did you see this? In
On January 18, 2003 04:15, Chris Little wrote:
> A concordance is the quotation of an entire work. It doesn't matter how
> you re-order it or in what manner you change the text, it is still
> derived. Furthermore, the examples given are specifically of types of
> derivative works that are eligib
On January 18, 2003 08:53, Matthew Donadio wrote:
> Joel Mawhorter wrote:
> > While the topics of copyrights and derivative works are fresh on
> > everyone's mind I thought I would ask a question. Does anyone know what
> > the U.S. laws are regarding producing a derative work based on a
> > copyrig
Matthew Donadio wrote:
Joel Mawhorter wrote:
While the topics of copyrights and derivative works are fresh on everyone's
mind I thought I would ask a question. Does anyone know what the U.S. laws
are regarding producing a derative work based on a copyrighted work? For
example, could I create a
Chris Little wrote:
A concordance is the quotation of an entire work. It doesn't matter how
you re-order it or in what manner you change the text, it is still
derived.
I think the examples were intended to show the *spirit* of the law. They
were not intended to be an exhaustive list but a *re
Joel Mawhorter wrote:
> While the topics of copyrights and derivative works are fresh on everyone's
> mind I thought I would ask a question. Does anyone know what the U.S. laws
> are regarding producing a derative work based on a copyrighted work? For
> example, could I create a NIV concordence wit
Thus spake "Chris Little"> :
> If you make B out of A, then B is a derivative of A. If you make a
> concordance of the NIV, it necessarily requires use of the NIV--that is
> words themselves--so it is a derivative. If you took an ASCII text of the
> NIV, gzipped it, uuencoded it, fed the result
On Sat, 18 Jan 2003, Daniel Russell wrote:
> NONE of these examples listed by the copyright webpage are like a
> concordance.
The examples are not exhaustive. They are, rather, I suspect, the most
common examples.
> A concordance is a precipitation of facts, not a remolding of a work. In
> th
Chris Little wrote:
According to the US Code Title 17, Chapter 1, Section 101: A ''derivative
work'' is a work based upon one or more preexisting works, such as a
translation, musical arrangement, dramatization, fictionalization, motion
picture version, sound recording, art reproduction, abrid
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> > At 08:56 PM
On Fri, 17 Jan 2003, Joel Mawhorter wrote:
> So according to U.S. law I can't create a derivative work but is a
> concordence really a derative work? It certainly is very different from
> the Bible text it is based on. In its simplest form it is just a listing
> of references for verses that conta
Thus spake "Jerry Hastings"> :
> At 08:56 PM 1/17/2003 -0800, Joel Mawhorter wrote:
>> ...could I create a NIV concordence without the permission of the IBS?
>
> No. See: http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ14.html#who .
Actually, this would probably be okay. (I think, IANAL) In general,
database
So according to U.S. law I can't create a derivative work but is a concordence
really a derative work? It certainly is very different from the Bible text it
is based on. In its simplest form it is just a listing of references for
verses that contain a given word. To me that doesn't seem like a d
At 08:56 PM 1/17/2003 -0800, Joel Mawhorter wrote:
...could I create a NIV concordence without the permission of the IBS?
No. See: http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ14.html#who .
Jerry
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Hi everyone,
While the topics of copyrights and derivative works are fresh on everyone's
mind I thought I would ask a question. Does anyone know what the U.S. laws
are regarding producing a derative work based on a copyrighted work? For
example, could I create a NIV concordence without the perm
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