Re: [sword-devel] CDEarth GPL violation

2008-03-30 Thread Eeli Kaikkonen
On Fri, 28 Mar 2008, Don Bedsole wrote: > This morning as I was reading GrokLaw, I saw this link to a paper by the > Software Freedom Law Center. The title of the paper is "Shareware > Distribution of FOSS Software". > > http://www.softwarefreedom.org/resources/2008/shareware.html > > I thought it

[sword-devel] CDEarth GPL violation

2008-03-28 Thread Don Bedsole
Hi, I'm not subscribed to the list, but I do visit the archive from time to time to see what's going on with the project. I noticed this thread about a possible GPL violation by the CDEarth people. This morning as I was reading GrokLaw, I saw this link to a paper by the Software Freedom Law Cen

Re: [sword-devel] CDEarth GPL violation

2008-03-27 Thread DM Smith
Chris, Would you burn copies before sending them back? Or at least make a recursive listing. I am curious whether the JSword/BD disk is also an old version, whether it actually includes the complete source, whether it is implemented in such a way that it will come back to bite us with support q

Re: [sword-devel] CDEarth GPL violation

2008-03-27 Thread peter
I have written to Software Freedom Law Centre (the Eben Moglen lot), who as pro-bono dealt with busybox's various rip-offs. I asked them a) for advise and b) whether we would fulfil the criteria for pro-bono representation. I did this off my own back, based on the (minimal) contributions I had to

Re: [sword-devel] CDEarth GPL violation

2008-03-27 Thread Eeli Kaikkonen
I have nothing special to say about the subject but the more I think about this the more I feel that someone should write to the Free Software Foundation and ask what they think. For example Gimp which is one of the CDEarth programs is part the GNU project and FSF might be very interested about thi

Re: [sword-devel] CDEarth GPL violation

2008-03-27 Thread Steve Dibb
Chris Little wrote: >> Or, you could ask them to correct the errors, and continue letting them >> do the legwork of marketing and getting Sword out to more people. I'd >> also recommend giving them a hand and getting them most recent versions >> to distribute, they would probably appreciate a

Re: [sword-devel] CDEarth GPL violation

2008-03-27 Thread Chris Little
Manfred Bergmann wrote: > Actually I really don't undersatand why these people do not come here > and tell us what they want to do. To package our software and > distrubute it for some money. There would be no problem and we could > support that if done in the right way. > > Maybe they are

Re: [sword-devel] CDEarth GPL violation

2008-03-27 Thread Chris Little
I found a nifty little EULA that comes with the CD Earth software. I haven't seen this before, so I assume it's not linked to anywhere, just loaded directly from their installer. This is the only license agreement they provide, no explicit mentions of GPL unless the software itself mentions it

Re: [sword-devel] CDEarth GPL violation

2008-03-27 Thread Manfred Bergmann
Am 27.03.2008 um 07:03 schrieb Chris Little: > Steve Dibb wrote: >> peter wrote: >> So, we're actually and legitimately in a position where we can demand removal, DMCA takedown by the ISP, all that good stuff. >> >> Or, you could ask them to correct the errors, and continue

Re: [sword-devel] CDEarth GPL violation

2008-03-26 Thread Chris Little
Steve Dibb wrote: > peter wrote: > >>> 4) The little slip of paper that comes with it, like the website, makes >>> mention that "[t]hrough our special licensing arrangement and because we >>> publish our software directly to you, each trial CD is only USD$14.99 >>> (which as you know is up to

Re: [sword-devel] CDEarth GPL violation

2008-03-26 Thread Steve Dibb
Steve Dibb wrote: > peter wrote: > >>> 4) The little slip of paper that comes with it, like the website, makes >>> mention that "[t]hrough our special licensing arrangement and because we >>> publish our software directly to you, each trial CD is only USD$14.99 >>> (which as you know is up to 8

Re: [sword-devel] CDEarth GPL violation

2008-03-26 Thread Steve Dibb
peter wrote: >> 4) The little slip of paper that comes with it, like the website, makes >> mention that "[t]hrough our special licensing arrangement and because we >> publish our software directly to you, each trial CD is only USD$14.99 >> (which as you know is up to 80% off the store price for

Re: [sword-devel] CDEarth GPL violation

2008-03-26 Thread peter
If there is no source code (contrary to their claim to me - I still have the email) then the GPL offers no recourse to them but ceasing of distribution and no rights to re-start irrespective of whether they want to be compliant or - unless we grant them this right. I guess the SFLC (Eben Moglen)

[sword-devel] CDEarth GPL violation

2008-03-26 Thread Chris Little
I went ahead and ordered the two Sword-related CDs from CDEarth to check whether they are in compliance with the GPL. They actually are not, at least when it comes to the CD with The SWORD Project for Windows and MacSword. (The Bible Desktop/JSword CD might be okay, since they include source fo