Re: [sword-devel] Bible book introductions

2013-06-05 Thread Mark Trompell
On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Костя Маслюк wrote: > 05.06.2013 5:32 пользователь "Nic Carter" написал: > > >> I guess we need to have some sort of implementation with which to try this >> out with. I remember that trying to create a cLucene search index on my old >> iPhone 3G was sufficiently

Re: [sword-devel] Bible book introductions

2013-06-05 Thread Костя Маслюк
05.06.2013 5:32 пользователь "Nic Carter" написал: > I guess we need to have some sort of implementation with which to try this out with. I remember that trying to create a cLucene search index on my old iPhone 3G was sufficiently silly that I removed that functionality in PS. But I needed to test

Re: [sword-devel] Bible book introductions

2013-06-04 Thread Nic Carter
On 03/06/2013, at 11:02 PM, Greg Hellings wrote: > Of course, this type of behavior adapted to Scope is fine on a desktop or > even a netbook or most tablets. But it's unacceptable for a truly low-powered > device. I guess we need to have some sort of implementation with which to try this out

Re: [sword-devel] Bible book introductions

2013-06-04 Thread David Haslam
*Colophons* - some further background information. I recently purchased the AV Bible (KJV) edition published by the *Trinitarian Bible Society*. Notably absent are the colophons for the [Pauline] Epistles. Philip Hopkins of TBS has written a position paper on this subject, which is available fro

Re: [sword-devel] Bible book introductions

2013-06-03 Thread David Instone-Brewer
Agreed - they are in many Greek texts, though absent from those which are regarded as earlier texts. As a result, most modern versions omit them - including the New King James! They shouldn't be treated like Red letter or Section titles, because they are part of the text, and if they are include

Re: [sword-devel] Bible book introductions

2013-06-03 Thread DM Smith
Note, the colophons in the KJV are from the underlying Greek text. In Him, DM On Jun 3, 2013, at 7:04 AM, Chris Burrell wrote: > For clarity, my use case is as follows. > > I have a menu displaying options such as Verse numbers, Headings, Verses on > New Lines, Red letters. I'd like

Re: [sword-devel] Bible book introductions

2013-06-03 Thread DM Smith
On Jun 3, 2013, at 11:44 AM, Greg Hellings wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 10:06 AM, DM Smith wrote: > > It is far more than 70. Every chapter can have an introduction. To see if a > module one would have to check every verse 0 for text content. It is not > sufficient to see if it h

Re: [sword-devel] Bible book introductions

2013-06-03 Thread Greg Hellings
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 10:06 AM, DM Smith wrote: > > It is far more than 70. Every chapter can have an introduction. To see if > a module one would have to check every verse 0 for text content. It is not > sufficient to see if it has content. It may only have structural content. > So that means i

Re: [sword-devel] Bible book introductions

2013-06-03 Thread DM Smith
My reply to Chris L's post was a bit snide. Sorry. (I actually don't have a problem with NoParagraphs as a feature, but would rather discuss it here first.) Regarding Scope. Most of our front-ends (SWORD and JSword) present modules that only contain the NT as if they have an OT as well. Fortunat

Re: [sword-devel] Bible book introductions

2013-06-03 Thread DM Smith
On Jun 3, 2013, at 10:43 AM, Greg Hellings wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 7:32 AM, Chris Burrell wrote: > I thought of that - but then that means that low powered devices, or devices > with large numbers of modules have to scan every part of every module on > installation of the mod

Re: [sword-devel] Bible book introductions

2013-06-03 Thread Greg Hellings
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 7:32 AM, Chris Burrell wrote: > I thought of that - but then that means that low powered devices, or > devices with large numbers of modules have to scan every part of every > module on installation of the module while they do their discovery process. > > The Scope was rela

Re: [sword-devel] Bible book introductions

2013-06-03 Thread Chris Burrell
In terms of missing out a line in the conf file, then presumably one would simply fix it. In fact, that's where this thread originated from, as suddenly unexpected introductions started appearing and appeared as other canonical content. I had the same issue previously with colophons, which were app

Re: [sword-devel] Bible book introductions

2013-06-03 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
I don't recall ever hearing of "NoParagraphs". But I am old now and quite possibly could have forgotten. The push back on my side of this is from the desire to: a) keep the .conf generation only as complex as needed, and b) avoid the possibilities for inconsistencies. SWORD accumulates toggle

Re: [sword-devel] Bible book introductions

2013-06-03 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
SWORD support augmenting .conf entries specifically for this purpose. See: SWConfig::augment(SWConfig &addFrom); So, e.g., SWMgr library; library.config->augment("./localOptions.conf"); Would add all user preferences or desired precomputed software properties to the global module library co

Re: [sword-devel] Bible book introductions

2013-06-03 Thread Greg Hellings
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 7:16 AM, DM Smith wrote: > I'm thinking of having a "sidecar" conf for a module. Right now when a > user wants to save certain settings for a module, we (JSword) modify the > conf. (I.e. CipherKey and Font). > > This could then be used to save anything a front end discovers

Re: [sword-devel] Bible book introductions

2013-06-03 Thread DM Smith
I saw that Scope was yanked from the wiki with a comment that it had been rejected. I really don't remember it being rejected. I just remember that the discussion never went anywhere so it was dropped. I documented the desire of that discussion by putting an entry into the wiki. Even if engine s

Re: [sword-devel] Bible book introductions

2013-06-03 Thread Chris Burrell
I thought of that - but then that means that low powered devices, or devices with large numbers of modules have to scan every part of every module on installation of the module while they do their discovery process. The Scope was related to Copyright & Distribution, but I'm not sure a discovery ap

Re: [sword-devel] Bible book introductions

2013-06-03 Thread DM Smith
I'm thinking of having a "sidecar" conf for a module. Right now when a user wants to save certain settings for a module, we (JSword) modify the conf. (I.e. CipherKey and Font). This could then be used to save anything a front end discovers and does not want to discover a second time. Such as Sc

Re: [sword-devel] Bible book introductions

2013-06-03 Thread Chris Burrell
I was simply suggesting a flag to indicate this on a whole module-level, one that wouldn't require reading any of the module contents at all. In other words, a flag of "true", or the presence of an entry in the module configuration would indicate that somewhere in the module there is an introductio

Re: [sword-devel] Bible book introductions

2013-06-03 Thread Nic Carter
I think (& I hope?) what is being proposed is a method in Sword that will check any book of the Bible to see if it is empty or not. This will ultimately be very fast, as it may need to test a large number of verses? This same method should be able to be adapted to live-test introductions for bo

Re: [sword-devel] Bible book introductions

2013-06-03 Thread Chris Burrell
For clarity, my use case is as follows. I have a menu displaying options such as Verse numbers, Headings, Verses on New Lines, Red letters. I'd like to add an option called Introductions (and perhaps one called Colophon). The options in this menu are grayed out when the underlying module doesn't

Re: [sword-devel] Bible book introductions

2013-06-02 Thread Chris Burrell
One could apply your reasoning for every option we have in the Conf file so far. Headings, notes, cross references, strongs, morphology... A verse or chapter is not guaranteed to contain any of these. You still need to check for non empty cross references for example if your frontend is displaying

Re: [sword-devel] Bible book introductions

2013-06-02 Thread Chris Little
On 6/2/2013 9:23 AM, Chris Burrell wrote: Hi Some books have Bible introductions. Can I suggest adding a flag to the conf file to indicate this is the case? In the similar mindset as a previous post, I'd prefer being able to query the conf file for features of a particular module rather than hav

[sword-devel] Bible book introductions

2013-06-02 Thread Chris Burrell
Hi Some books have Bible introductions. Can I suggest adding a flag to the conf file to indicate this is the case? In the similar mindset as a previous post, I'd prefer being able to query the conf file for features of a particular module rather than having to read part of the module and hope for