Re: [sword-devel] Dead Sea Scrolls copyright discussion

2018-09-10 Thread Tom Sullivan
Andrew: Thanks - it was the "PD" that had me puzzled. Reminds me of the story of a bureaucrat who submitted a document and found "UNO" stamped all over it at various places. He asked its meaning and was told, "Use No Abbreviations." Tom Tom Sullivan i...@beforgiven.info FAX: 815-301-2835 --

Re: [sword-devel] Dead Sea Scrolls copyright discussion

2018-09-10 Thread Andrew T.
Tom, PD is 'public domain'. Public Domain (PD) refers materials that are not or no longer protected by intellectual property laws such as copyright, trademark etc. To confuse, different jurisdictions have different criteria for materials to enter into the Public Domain. For example see the secti

Re: [sword-devel] Dead Sea Scrolls copyright discussion

2018-09-10 Thread Tom Sullivan
Peter: Thanks for your reply. Please excuse my ignorance: What is a "PD document"? Thanks. Tom Tom Sullivan i...@beforgiven.info FAX: 815-301-2835 - Great News! God created you, owns you and gave you commands to obey. You have disobeyed God - as your conscience very well

Re: [sword-devel] Dead Sea Scrolls copyright discussion

2018-09-10 Thread Andrew T.
I agree with Peter. The original work and the derivative work are separate cases. On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 10:42 AM Peter von Kaehne wrote: > On Mon, 2018-09-10 at 09:54 -0400, Tom Sullivan wrote: > > First, take Matthew Henry's or Calvin's commentaries. They are way > > out > > of copyright to

Re: [sword-devel] Dead Sea Scrolls copyright discussion

2018-09-10 Thread Andrew T.
Peter, there's agreement here. Lets not ruin it ok? On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 10:32 AM Peter von Kaehne wrote: > On Mon, 2018-09-10 at 15:35 +0200, Peter Von Kaehne wrote: > > This matter has been discussed ad nauseam on our mailing list several > > years ago. Nothing has changed since. > > Andre

Re: [sword-devel] Dead Sea Scrolls copyright discussion

2018-09-10 Thread Peter von Kaehne
On Mon, 2018-09-10 at 09:54 -0400, Tom Sullivan wrote: > First, take Matthew Henry's or Calvin's commentaries. They are way > out > of copyright to say the least. Now some publishers may add OCR text, > comments, footnotes, etc. These are copyrightable. Am I correct in > thinking that the origin

Re: [sword-devel] Dead Sea Scrolls copyright discussion

2018-09-10 Thread Peter von Kaehne
On Mon, 2018-09-10 at 15:35 +0200, Peter Von Kaehne wrote: > This matter has been discussed ad nauseam on our mailing list several > years ago. Nothing has changed since. Andrew claims he has not been afforded previous opportunity to discuss this matter. I am not sure what level of debate he nee

Re: [sword-devel] Dead Sea Scrolls copyright discussion

2018-09-10 Thread Tom Sullivan
There is obviously much background of which I am unaware, but I do wish to ask some questions for future reference. First, take Matthew Henry's or Calvin's commentaries. They are way out of copyright to say the least. Now some publishers may add OCR text, comments, footnotes, etc. These are co

Re: [sword-devel] Dead Sea Scrolls copyright discussion

2018-09-10 Thread Andrew T.
Yes agree .. except in the case where something being published a rote fact (facts cannot be copyrighted) .. and derivative works are their own case in copyright law. There's no dispute here. On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 9:37 AM Peter Von Kaehne wrote: > This matter has been discussed ad nauseam on

Re: [sword-devel] Dead Sea Scrolls copyright discussion

2018-09-10 Thread Peter Von Kaehne
This matter has been discussed ad nauseam on our mailing list several years ago. Nothing has changed since. All written works including translations are copyrighted until the copyright expires.  We need a permission by the copyright owner or the copyrioght owner licenses the text freely. If we d

Re: [sword-devel] Copyright, modules, mailing list

2018-09-10 Thread Andrew T.
Peter, what offered is to participate in civil discussion, and I will honour that offer, as I hope you will too. On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 9:23 AM Peter Von Kaehne wrote: > > You are being told not to discuss your rejected modules, offering test > modules or distribute modules. As every single tec

Re: [sword-devel] Copyright, modules, mailing list

2018-09-10 Thread Peter Von Kaehne
  You are being told not to discuss your rejected modules, offering test modules or distribute modules. As every single technical enquiry sent by you was coupled with just this, you are asked to refrain from that too.   Gesendet: Montag, 10. September 2018 um 14:05 Uhr Von: "Andrew T." An: "SWOR

Re: [sword-devel] Dead Sea Scrolls copyright discussion

2018-09-10 Thread Andrew T.
I welcome honest discussion about it, I thirst for honest discussion about it, more than I thirst for censorship at least. I have looked into the copyright status of the DSS. What you say is partially correct. Each separate manuscript’s translations (as found in Discoveries in Judean Desert (DJ

[sword-devel] Dead Sea Scrolls copyright discussion

2018-09-10 Thread Andrew T.
Please, be patient and civil in this discussion, appreciating that copyright and biblical texts are both important and that controversy abounds when discussing both. Everyone's perspective is welcomed here: ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@cross

Re: [sword-devel] Copyright, modules, mailing list

2018-09-10 Thread Andrew T.
All of this was very helpful and I think it does expose the raw point here. I haven’t been afforded the opportunity to present the case for DSS yet - you won’t allow me to participate in it. But even if that’s the case that’s not what I react to. When I ask other questions, legitimate questions,