Re: [sword-devel] CrossWire lacks a Content Management System

2010-11-08 Thread Jonathan Marsden
On 11/08/2010 08:51 PM, Nic Carter wrote: > the good thing about it is that we can make one promote the various > front-ends and the other can promote dev/module making? However, I > think we need a better way of switching between the 2 than Mozilla > do. A link to the wiki from http://crosswire

Re: [sword-devel] CrossWire lacks a Content Management System

2010-11-08 Thread Nic Carter
On 09/11/2010, at 10:38 AM, Peter von Kaehne wrote: > So > we really need consensus at least at the core developers/contributors > level. My opinion about all of this is that I like the way Mozilla do this: mozilla.org is for the community/developers and mozilla.com is for end-users. Ignore

Re: [sword-devel] CrossWire website showing all known modules available

2010-11-08 Thread DM Smith
On Nov 8, 2010, at 6:35 AM, Jonathan Morgan wrote: > I tend to dislike software that forces me to search in certain ways: whether > it's "You must select the language before we show you what's available" or > "You must select the type of book" or "You must select the publisher's > repository",

Re: [sword-devel] CrossWire lacks a Content Management System

2010-11-08 Thread Peter von Kaehne
DM Smith wrote: > We still have duplication. I think we should remove the duplicates, > retaining the copy in the wiki. Also, the wiki needs to be more > prominent for developers to find. True > Regarding the FAQ. It was felt that the FAQ would be maintained on > the wiki with a static copy in t

Re: [sword-devel] CrossWire lacks a Content Management System

2010-11-08 Thread DM Smith
Late comment to the thread: Recently, there were two efforts to cleanup the website. Both, IMHO, were good as far as they went. These two related to the wiki and the front page of the website. It was agreed that the front page should face users of CrossWire Bible Software. And that the wiki wa

Re: [sword-devel] Psalms, Books and XML

2010-11-08 Thread DM Smith
On Apr 2, 2010, at 7:57 AM, David Haslam wrote: > > This may be seen as a naïve question from someone who has not done enough > homework > > All other books in the Bible are usually called Books in Bible software, > but Psalms (in some printed editions at least) actually comprises five boo

Re: [sword-devel] Psalm 119 stanza headings

2010-11-08 Thread DM Smith
Hi David, Just got back from a holiday weekend. Thus the lack of response from me. My wife, Lisa, and I went to PSU to celebrate 35 years of Alliance Christian Fellowship, a church that we were part of the founding in 1975 and following. We also got the privilege of being there when Joe Pa celeb

[sword-devel] Xiphos 3.1.4 binaries

2010-11-08 Thread Matthew Talbert
Xiphos 3.1.4 binaries are now available at http://sourceforge.net/projects/gnomesword/files/Xiphos/3.1.4/xiphos-3.1.4-win32.exe/download A few notes for the developer crowd (a more general announcement will be made later): Built with SWORD 1.6.2, including the latest utilities The utilities do n

Re: [sword-devel] Psalm 119 stanza headings

2010-11-08 Thread David Haslam
No response yet! Anyone? David -- View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/Psalm-119-stanza-headings-tp3031104p3032724.html Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-dev

Re: [sword-devel] CrossWire lacks a Content Management System

2010-11-08 Thread Peter von Kaehne
Several attempts to answer got swallowed by some problem in my webmail. Now back home a last attempt... "Troy A. Griffitts" wrote: > Sure I agree our website needs updating, but a CMS doesn't magically > update and bring accord to our website. No. I would agree. But a well thought through plan

Re: [sword-devel] HTTP Transport support (was: Remote Module Repository Wiki)

2010-11-08 Thread Butrus Damaskus
On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 10:21 PM, David Overcash wrote: >> Hm, don't understand, why you want to reinvent the wheel, when WebDAV >> exists. > > To me it seems that it would make mobile development much easier.  Then > again, I have yet to try with WebDAV. > It's just that WebDAV (in a sense) has al

Re: [sword-devel] HTTP Transport support (was: Remote Module Repository Wiki)

2010-11-08 Thread David Overcash
> > Hm, don't understand, why you want to reinvent the wheel, when WebDAV > exists. > To me it seems that it would make mobile development much easier. Then again, I have yet to try with WebDAV. It's just that WebDAV (in a sense) has already tried to reinvent the wheel - and all that is necessar

Re: [sword-devel] HTTP Transport support (was: Remote Module Repository Wiki)

2010-11-08 Thread Butrus Damaskus
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote: > On 11/06/2010 04:36 AM, Nic Carter wrote: > >> I initially submitted a patch for HTTP parsing, but it only >> works for CrossWire and not for the Bible.org nor for the Xiphos >> repos, and I have no intention of modifying the parsing code

Re: [sword-devel] HTTP Transport support (was: Remote Module Repository Wiki)

2010-11-08 Thread Butrus Damaskus
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 4:51 PM, David Overcash wrote: >> >> Our current reasons to switch to HTTP is that HTTP is ubiquitous-- often >> already available at institutions, usually requires no additional >> training to make something available, and has no firewall/security >> concerns.  I wonder if

Re: [sword-devel] RusSynodal in experimental

2010-11-08 Thread Chris Little
On 11/8/2010 5:11 AM, Konstantin Maslyuk wrote: Sorry me too. Now i almost happy, Thank you. I don't know reason why emptyvss return no results for RusSynodal but i know that Ps.114.9 is verse without content. Ps.114.8 should be broken apart before "Буду ходить пред л..." This is how o

Re: [sword-devel] CrossWire lacks a Content Management System

2010-11-08 Thread Chris Little
On 11/8/2010 1:17 AM, Caleb Maclennan wrote: Chris you mention the issue of balancing devel news / nightly snapshot type updates and releases that the public aught to be informed about. I realize this is an issue, but it was pointed out just last week on this list that the information for diata

Re: [sword-devel] CrossWire website showing all known modules available

2010-11-08 Thread Brian J. Dumont
On 11/08/2010 09:50 AM, Peter von Kaehne wrote: > 1) Some of our Genbooks could easily be formatted as a commentary. > Probably it also should be done and that would remove one reason to look > somewhere else. But right now the distinction is not totally a sharp > one. Maybe it would be worthwhile

[sword-devel] API Documentation

2010-11-08 Thread Greg Hellings
Developers All, I have updated the Doxygen documentation available on http://www.crosswire.org/~ghellings/ to include the 1.6.2 release versions as well as the latest Subversion as of last night. I have also created a few little Bash scripts to make updating the documentation trivial for me. I k

Re: [sword-devel] CrossWire lacks a Content Management System

2010-11-08 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
Sure I agree our website needs updating, but a CMS doesn't magically update and bring accord to our website. We have had a long and notorious history of complaint about our website. Someone goes off and reorganizes it the way they think it should be (about once every 5 years or so) and then we st

Re: [sword-devel] CrossWire website showing all known modules available

2010-11-08 Thread Peter von Kaehne
On Mon, 08 Nov 2010 07:57:51 -0500 Karl Kleinpaste wrote: > Jonathan Morgan writes: > > I tend to dislike software that forces me to search in certain ways: > > whether it's "You must select the language before we show you what's > > available" or "You must select the type of book" or "You must

Re: [sword-devel] RusSynodal in experimental

2010-11-08 Thread Konstantin Maslyuk
Sorry me too. Now i almost happy, Thank you. I don't know reason why emptyvss return no results for RusSynodal but i know that Ps.114.9 is verse without content. Ps.114.8 should be broken apart before "Буду ходить пред л..." Chapter titles moved to the end of last verse of previous chapter.

Re: [sword-devel] CrossWire website showing all known modules available

2010-11-08 Thread Jonathan Morgan
On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 11:57 PM, Karl Kleinpaste wrote: > Jonathan Morgan writes: >> I tend to dislike software that forces me to search in certain ways: >> whether it's "You must select the language before we show you what's >> available" or "You must select the type of book" or "You must select

Re: [sword-devel] HTTP Transport support

2010-11-08 Thread Karl Kleinpaste
DM Smith writes: > InstallSize is also fairly recent and not all confs have it. All 3 CrossWire repos (regular, beta, experimental) and the Xiphos repo have InstallSize support. Whether other publishers put it to use is an unknown. For CrossWire repos, it's a nightly cron-driven script. All *.

Re: [sword-devel] CrossWire website showing all known modules available

2010-11-08 Thread Karl Kleinpaste
Jonathan Morgan writes: > I tend to dislike software that forces me to search in certain ways: > whether it's "You must select the language before we show you what's > available" or "You must select the type of book" or "You must select > the publisher's repository", there will be some times when

Re: [sword-devel] SBLGNT import: OSIS, vanilla XML, or plain text?

2010-11-08 Thread Weston Ruter
Both of the XML formats (sblgnt and OSIS) are better than plain text as the words are already marked up. But of the two, I think the sblgnt XML version is probably the best format to use for our uses in the Open Scriptures models. It marks up puncutation in elements (not sure why they're called "s

Re: [sword-devel] HTTP Transport support (was: Remote Module Repository Wiki)

2010-11-08 Thread Jonathan Morgan
On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 11:09 PM, DM Smith wrote: > InstallSize doesn't give the download size. HEAD does. For compressed > modules and image modules these are fairly close. InstallSize is also fairly > recent and not all confs have it. So if our software did use it, it'd have > too fall back to an

Re: [sword-devel] HTTP Transport support (was: Remote Module Repository Wiki)

2010-11-08 Thread DM Smith
InstallSize doesn't give the download size. HEAD does. For compressed modules and image modules these are fairly close. InstallSize is also fairly recent and not all confs have it. So if our software did use it, it'd have too fall back to another way when not there. Doing HEAD on all the part

Re: [sword-devel] HTTP Transport support (was: Remote Module Repository Wiki)

2010-11-08 Thread Jonathan Morgan
Just recall that HEAD presumably takes another roundtrip to the server, adding latency, while InstallSize just requires you to have the conf files you have probably already got. (In reality, it's probably not that much of a problem, but I'm obviously feeling paranoid about latency today ;) ). Jon

Re: [sword-devel] CrossWire website showing all known modules available

2010-11-08 Thread Jonathan Morgan
On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 6:37 AM, Karl Kleinpaste wrote: > On the one hand, I appreciate a desire for a combined all-repos view of > what's available. It would be useful in some ways. On the other hand, > I find it problematic for several reasons. > > - It depends on finding all repos operating.

Re: [sword-devel] Remote Module Repository Wiki

2010-11-08 Thread Jonathan Morgan
On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 7:48 AM, Greg Hellings wrote: > On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Jonathan Morgan > wrote: > > A lot here depends on evaluation of pros and cons. I personally support > > HTTP, zipped modules, and one central file (like mods.d.tar.gz) to give a > > list of all the books and

Re: [sword-devel] CrossWire lacks a Content Management System

2010-11-08 Thread Chris Burrell
All, My first impression, albeit a few years ago, was the same thing. I found it particularly hard to find my way around things. By chance I managed to stumble across the Jira instance, but then lost it again when I was wanting to see how much activity was happening. So whether a CMS or some other

Re: [sword-devel] CrossWire lacks a Content Management System

2010-11-08 Thread Caleb Maclennan
Troy and Chris et all, I cannot speak for what David felt as the exact problem, but I can tell you why I jumped in with a comment. Troy it's hard to come up with a specific example because the problem might be best described as general discombobulation. The main crosswire site and the sword sub si