Re: [sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS (was Re: [bt-devel] Eureka!!)

2009-02-26 Thread Manfred Bergmann
Am 27.02.2009 um 02:02 schrieb Peter von Kaehne: 2. Add a comparison table for desktop front-ends called "Which SWORD application is right for me?" or something like that. I would be happy to contribute to this. It could include columns for OS's supported, RtoL support, localization, layout

Re: [sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS Why I prefer CS

2009-02-26 Thread Geoffrey W Hasstings
I agree. I am not a programmer but a user of the software. CS Advantages 1.verse list feature a. verse list will switch to what ever translation you have open. You can print the same list in different languages with just a couple of clicks. I usually teach and preach from verse lists.

Re: [sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS

2009-02-26 Thread Chris Morgan
David, On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 5:31 AM, David Troidl wrote: > I'm coming late to this thread. But as a BibleCS user, though I haven't > sampled all the alternatives, I am also using BPBible portable on my flash > drive at school. I have to say there is no comparison. I stick by BibleCS. I'm

Re: [sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS (was Re: [bt-devel] Eureka!!)

2009-02-26 Thread Geoffrey W Hasstings
Is there a version of BIBLE TIME for windows available? On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 14:02:32 +0200 Eeli Kaikkonen writes: > Quoting Jonathan Morgan : > > > On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 10:06 PM, Troy A. Griffitts > > wrote: > >> Congratulations guys!!! This is great news! Our Windows users > now have > >>

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS editor

2009-02-26 Thread Tonny Kohar
Hi, On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Adrian Korten wrote: > Good day, > > I'm advising a team of Thai people who would like to prepare a Bible and > book for import to Sword. They currently have both texts in Word with > in-line mark-up (no styles). I assume that they would need to save as raw >

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS editor

2009-02-26 Thread Adrian Korten
Original Message - *From:* Peter von Kaehne *To:* "SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum" *Sent:* 02/26/2009 3:45:07 PM +0700 *Subject:* [sword-devel] OSIS editor Adrian Korten wrote: Good day, I'm advising a team of Thai people who would like to prepare a Bible and book for impor

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS editor

2009-02-26 Thread Daniel Owens
That sounds like a big task. Assuming the Thai is unicode, somehow you have to get the documents into an xml file encoded in utf8. For the Bible obviously USFM is the preferred option as an intermediate step because you can use USFM editors like Bibedit, SIL FieldWorks, etc., to edit USFM more

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS editor

2009-02-26 Thread Adrian Korten
Good day, By inline markup, I mean that it is bolded, centred, super-scripted, etc. (Sorry, I'm not sure of the right terminology but may display markup would have been a better term.) But no standard format markup. I would either recommend that they markup with USFM or OSIS. ak - Orig

Re: [sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS (was Re: [bt-devel] Eureka!!)

2009-02-26 Thread Daniel Owens
I must not have the right to create new pages on the wiki, so I will need someone to create one for me to start working on what I proposed. It could be called "What SWORD Application is Right for Me?". Daniel Peter von Kaehne wrote: Daniel Owens wrote: This discussion about depre

Re: [sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS (was Re: [bt-devel] Eureka!!)

2009-02-26 Thread Peter von Kaehne
Daniel Owens wrote: > This discussion about deprecating BibleCS is no doubt fueled by the fact > that it's name suggests it is THE flagship program for Windows. To be > sure, for English (and other ascii-friendly languages) users, it is a > feature rich alternative. However, given that it has limit

Re: [sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS (was Re: [bt-devel] Eureka!!)

2009-02-26 Thread Daniel Owens
This discussion about deprecating BibleCS is no doubt fueled by the fact that it's name suggests it is THE flagship program for Windows. To be sure, for English (and other ascii-friendly languages) users, it is a feature rich alternative. However, given that it has limitations with regard to no

Re: [sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS (was Re: [bt-devel] Eureka!!)

2009-02-26 Thread DM Smith
On Feb 26, 2009, at 5:16 PM, Jonathan Morgan wrote: I applaud Xiphos and BibleTime for coming to Windows. Each provides a different way at approaching God's Word. Now we have 5 major, supported frontends for Windows that people can choose from! (I'm including AlKitab) But not, it appears

Re: [sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS (was Re: [bt-devel] Eureka!!)

2009-02-26 Thread Peter von Kaehne
Jonathan Morgan wrote: >> I applaud Xiphos and BibleTime for coming to Windows. Each provides a >> different way at approaching God's Word. Now we have 5 major, supported >> frontends for Windows that people can choose from! (I'm including AlKitab) > > But not, it appears, including BPBible, whic

Re: [sword-devel] Reality check

2009-02-26 Thread Jonathan Morgan
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 5:37 AM, Barry Drake wrote: > Hi there .. > > Peter von Kaehne wrote: >> >> We should though make clear - once BT is released - that there are three >> flagship applications on Windows and that BibleCS is not anymore unique. > > I still feel it ought to be flagged as no

Re: [sword-devel] Reality check (was: Getting rid of BibleCS (was Re: [bt-devel] Eureka!!))

2009-02-26 Thread Jonathan Morgan
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 4:27 AM, Peter von Kaehne wrote: > Jonathan Morgan wrote: >> This is now the time to consider again removing the unsupported "Sword >> for Windows", which is condemned by many and misleads many about the >> potential of the Sword platform because it appears to be the offici

Re: [sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS (was Re: [bt-devel] Eureka!!)

2009-02-26 Thread Jonathan Morgan
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 5:49 AM, DM Smith wrote: > Jonathan Morgan wrote: >> >> On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 10:06 PM, Troy A. Griffitts >> wrote: >> >>> >>> Congratulations guys!!! This is great news!  Our Windows users now have >>> choices 4+ choices!   We're really going to have to redo our CD auto

Re: [sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS (was Re: [bt-devel] Eureka!!)

2009-02-26 Thread Eeli Kaikkonen
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009, DM Smith wrote: > Most of the criticisms that I hear about BibleCS relate to how it looks, > not what it does. I think Manfred's comment about people not developing > for the Mac is true for Windows too. What developer has jumped in to > improve BibleCS? > The used GUI toolkit

Re: [sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS (was Re: [bt-devel] Eureka!!)

2009-02-26 Thread DM Smith
Jonathan Morgan wrote: On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 10:06 PM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote: Congratulations guys!!! This is great news! Our Windows users now have choices 4+ choices! We're really going to have to redo our CD autorun splash to present these choices to our users. This is now t

[sword-devel] Zefania XML to Osis XML - new tool

2009-02-26 Thread Wolfgang Schultz
Hello there is a brandnew tool that could be helpful Zefania XML to Osis XML With this tool you are able to convert Zefania XML bible modules into OSIS bible modules according to the best practice descripted at crosswire bible society wiki. Zef2Osis creates OSIS files that should go through the

[sword-devel] BibleTime on Mac

2009-02-26 Thread Eeli Kaikkonen
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009, Manfred Bergmann wrote: > That'd be great. Even though I did not really use BibleTime nor > GnomeSword/Xiphos I'm looking forward to the new BibleTime version > based on QT4(?). Greg Hellings got it already working on Mac. See http://devel.bibletime.info/wiki/BuildingBibleTime

Re: [sword-devel] Reality check

2009-02-26 Thread Barry Drake
Hi there .. Peter von Kaehne wrote: We should though make clear - once BT is released - that there are three flagship applications on Windows and that BibleCS is not anymore unique. I still feel it ought to be flagged as no longer current. I'm going back to when I was woking on the NET m

Re: [sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS

2009-02-26 Thread David Troidl
Hello everyone, I'm coming late to this thread. But as a BibleCS user, though I haven't sampled all the alternatives, I am also using BPBible portable on my flash drive at school. I have to say there is no comparison. I stick by BibleCS. Peace, David

Re: [sword-devel] Reality check

2009-02-26 Thread Peter von Kaehne
Peter von Kaehne wrote: > . But it is clearly not deprecated right now. > > As long as it supports all currently released modules and as long as > there are no modules held back by lack of BibleCS development I can not > see how we can even think of removing it. We should though make clear - onc

[sword-devel] Reality check (was: Getting rid of BibleCS (was Re: [bt-devel] Eureka!!))

2009-02-26 Thread Peter von Kaehne
Jonathan Morgan wrote: > This is now the time to consider again removing the unsupported "Sword > for Windows", which is condemned by many and misleads many about the > potential of the Sword platform because it appears to be the official > (and thus the "best") one to casual onlookers. I think th

Re: [sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS

2009-02-26 Thread Manfred Bergmann
Am 26.02.2009 um 17:01 schrieb Mark Trompell: Am Thu, 26 Feb 2009 15:43:25 + schrieb Manfred Bergmann : I think even though many people have Macs nowadays, very few do development on it. And then there is Objective-C and Interface Builder which are languages tools only available to Mac. T

Re: [sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS

2009-02-26 Thread Mark Trompell
Am Thu, 26 Feb 2009 15:43:25 + schrieb Manfred Bergmann : > I think even though many people have Macs nowadays, very few do > development on it. And then there is Objective-C and Interface > Builder which are languages tools only available to Mac. That makes > it more difficult for people c

Re: [sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS

2009-02-26 Thread Manfred Bergmann
Am 26.02.2009 um 14:59 schrieb Eeli Kaikkonen: Quoting Karl Kleinpaste : Eeli Kaikkonen writes: But if you allow me to go back to BibleTime - ... At the moment we have less manpower than Xiphos have had for some time To me, that's an extraordinary and peculiar claim, considering the dear

Re: [sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS

2009-02-26 Thread Eeli Kaikkonen
Quoting Karl Kleinpaste : Eeli Kaikkonen writes: But if you allow me to go back to BibleTime - ... At the moment we have less manpower than Xiphos have had for some time To me, that's an extraordinary and peculiar claim, considering the dearth of contributors (at least in SVN commits, other

Re: [sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS (was Re: [bt-devel] Eureka!!)

2009-02-26 Thread Barry Drake
Hi there Jonathan Morgan wrote: Without doubt it should be deprecated and stated clearly as being utterly unsupported and moved down the list at least as far as LCDBible. First: congratulatiions to the BT team. For my part, I have not used BibleCS since the Windows Xiphos. Now I ha

Re: [sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS

2009-02-26 Thread Karl Kleinpaste
Eeli Kaikkonen writes: > But if you allow me to go back to BibleTime - ... At the moment > we have less manpower than Xiphos have had for some time To me, that's an extraordinary and peculiar claim, considering the dearth of contributors (at least in SVN commits, other than in interface translat

Re: [sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS (was Re: [bt-devel] Eureka!!)

2009-02-26 Thread Jonathan Morgan
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:02 PM, Eeli Kaikkonen wrote: > Quoting Jonathan Morgan : > >> On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 10:06 PM, Troy A. Griffitts >> wrote: >>> >>> Congratulations guys!!! This is great news!  Our Windows users now have >>> choices 4+ choices!   We're really going to have to redo our C

Re: [sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS (was Re: [bt-devel] Eureka!!)

2009-02-26 Thread Eeli Kaikkonen
Quoting Jonathan Morgan : On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 10:06 PM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote: Congratulations guys!!! This is great news!  Our Windows users now have choices 4+ choices!   We're really going to have to redo our CD autorun splash to present these choices to our users. This is now the t

[sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS (was Re: [bt-devel] Eureka!!)

2009-02-26 Thread Jonathan Morgan
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 10:06 PM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote: > Congratulations guys!!! This is great news!  Our Windows users now have > choices 4+ choices!   We're really going to have to redo our CD autorun > splash to present these choices to our users. This is now the time to consider again rem

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS editor

2009-02-26 Thread Daniel Owens
Adrian, What does the inline markup look like? I mean, is it like standard format markup (USFM, MDF, etc.), or am I way off the mark? Daniel Peter von Kaehne wrote: Adrian Korten wrote: Good day, I'm advising a team of Thai people who would like to prepare a Bible and book for

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS editor

2009-02-26 Thread Peter von Kaehne
Adrian Korten wrote: Good day, I'm advising a team of Thai people who would like to prepare a Bible and book for import to Sword. They currently have both texts in Word with in-line mark-up (no styles). I assume that they would need to save as raw text and then start adding the markup. Could