Re: [sword-devel] Concerns about Alternate Versification

2009-01-06 Thread Jonathan Morgan
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Greg Hellings wrote: > On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:58 PM, Jonathan Morgan wrote: >> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Jonathan Morgan wrote: >>> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Greg Hellings >>> wrote: > 4. Bible references from commentaries, etc. use this mast

Re: [sword-devel] Validating ThML and OSIS modules

2009-01-06 Thread Greg Hellings
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 12:09 AM, Chris Little wrote: > As a content encoder, XML editors give me the best results when I want to > find encoding errors. They tend to give a better indication of patterns of > errors, whereas validators might only give the first error they identify and > then quit.

Re: [sword-devel] Concerns about Alternate Versification

2009-01-06 Thread Greg Hellings
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:58 PM, Jonathan Morgan wrote: > On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Jonathan Morgan wrote: >> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Greg Hellings >> wrote: 4. Bible references from commentaries, etc. use this master versification. >>> >>> Then the module creator needs to go

Re: [sword-devel] Validating ThML and OSIS modules

2009-01-06 Thread Chris Little
Jonathan Morgan wrote: On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Chris Little wrote: So write it and submit a patch. [Some basic requirements: Don't add library dependencies to Sword itself, make the validator toggleable at runtime, and ensure that the validation library is in C/C++ and can compile un

Re: [sword-devel] Concerns about Alternate Versification

2009-01-06 Thread Jonathan Morgan
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Jonathan Morgan wrote: > On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Greg Hellings wrote: >>> 4. Bible references from commentaries, etc. use this master versification. >> >> Then the module creator needs to go through and convert all of their >> references to that master vers

Re: [sword-devel] Concerns about Alternate Versification

2009-01-06 Thread Jonathan Morgan
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Eeli Kaikkonen wrote: > Familie von Kaehne wrote: >> Not correct. The TSK or any other reference work will have used an >> underlying particular versification - even if this is not documented. > > Not only that, but TSK uses explicitly several versifications. It ref

Re: [sword-devel] Concerns about Alternate Versification

2009-01-06 Thread Jonathan Morgan
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Greg Hellings wrote: > On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 3:39 AM, Jonathan Morgan wrote: >> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Chris Little wrote: >>> Basically, alternate versification support is phase 1. Mapping between >>> versifications is phase 2. >> >> And I'm saying I do

Re: [sword-devel] Concerns about Alternate Versification

2009-01-06 Thread Jonathan Morgan
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Chris Little wrote: > Basically, alternate versification support is phase 1. Mapping between > versifications is phase 2. > > Jonathan Morgan wrote: >> >> I am also concerned about the choice of using Genbooks to represent >> books, just based (as far as I can tell)

Re: [sword-devel] Validating ThML and OSIS modules

2009-01-06 Thread Jonathan Morgan
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 7:48 PM, DM Smith wrote: > The job of osis2mod, at this point in time, is to take valid OSIS modules as > input and to normalize that into OSIS that the SWORD engine supports. This > normalized OSIS is then chunked into introductions and verses and stored in > a module. > >

Re: [sword-devel] Validating ThML and OSIS modules

2009-01-06 Thread Jonathan Morgan
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Chris Little wrote: > So write it and submit a patch. > > [Some basic requirements: Don't add library dependencies to Sword itself, > make the validator toggleable at runtime, and ensure that the validation > library is in C/C++ and can compile under Win32 and with

[sword-devel] Alkitab Bible Study 2.1 Released

2009-01-06 Thread Tonny Kohar
Hi, I just released Alkitab Bible Study 2.1, it is available at http://www.kiyut.com/products/alkitab/index.html The source code is available under developer sections. What's New: - Add Defintions/Dictionary searching - Add Syntax Highlight for View Source (OSIS and HTML) - Add delay 500 miliseco

Re: [sword-devel] Concerns about Alternate Versification

2009-01-06 Thread jhphx
Eeli wrote: Should the frontend give possibility to change the default v11n? Users may have accustomed to a certain scheme and would like to use it for all modules so that they can use their favorite translation and still find references in other modules easily. IMO: It would be good if the

Re: [sword-devel] BOM and Osis2Mod

2009-01-06 Thread DM Smith
Wolfgang, I guess I wasn't clear enough. I think all detected errors should produce a message. And what I didn't say, but meant to, was that I'll output an error message for an unsupported BOM. In Him, DM On Jan 6, 2009, at 11:15 AM, Wolfgang Schultz wrote: Hello, here we see th

Re: [sword-devel] BOM and Osis2Mod

2009-01-06 Thread Wolfgang Schultz
Hello, here we see the difference between user centric programming and ideological influence on how to make programms :)) On my opinion i would change osis2mod ( and also vpl2mod) so that it isn't an obstacle for using in any situation BOM or not BOM. However osis2mod should print out a

Re: [sword-devel] BOM and Osis2Mod

2009-01-06 Thread DM Smith
Ian Wagner wrote: See http://unicode.org/faq/utf_bom.html#bom1. It indicates the encoding that the file is written in, be it big-endian (most siginificant byte to least significant byte-- the way that we write, and the way the PowerPC stores numbers in memory), or little-endian (the reverse an

Re: [sword-devel] BOM and Osis2Mod

2009-01-06 Thread Chris Little
Wolfgang Schultz wrote: Hello, if the utf-8 OSIS file has a BOM ( Byte Order Mark some editors insert one) Osis2Mod will fail to make a sword-modul, it were nice if this would be fixed, because it will cause lot of problems in further steps :( The BOM in UTF-8 is generally a Windows-ism. No

Re: [sword-devel] BOM and Osis2Mod

2009-01-06 Thread Ian Wagner
Actually, if I would have read down further, it explicitly says "Yes, UTF-8 can contain a BOM. However, it makes no difference as to the endianness of the byte stream. UTF-8 always has the same byte order. An initial BOM is only used as a signature — an indication that an otherwise unmarked

Re: [sword-devel] BOM and Osis2Mod

2009-01-06 Thread Ian Wagner
See http://unicode.org/faq/utf_bom.html#bom1. It indicates the encoding that the file is written in, be it big-endian (most siginificant byte to least significant byte-- the way that we write, and the way the PowerPC stores numbers in memory), or little-endian (the reverse and the way intel

Re: [sword-devel] BOM and Osis2Mod

2009-01-06 Thread DM Smith
Wolfgang Schultz wrote: Hello, if the utf-8 OSIS file has a BOM ( Byte Order Mark some editors insert one) Osis2Mod will fail to make a sword-modul, it were nice if this would be fixed, because it will cause lot of problems in further steps :( What does a byte order mark mean for a UTF-8 fi

Re: [sword-devel] Validating ThML and OSIS modules

2009-01-06 Thread DM Smith
On Jan 6, 2009, at 3:14 AM, Jonathan Morgan wrote: I feel that, rather than useless debates about whether certain people's modules are valid ThML or whether valid OSIS has been submitted to CrossWire or not, we should augment osis2mod, imp2mod and friends to use a validating XML parser. That w

[sword-devel] BOM and Osis2Mod

2009-01-06 Thread Wolfgang Schultz
Hello, if the utf-8 OSIS file has a BOM ( Byte Order Mark some editors insert one) Osis2Mod will fail to make a sword-modul, it were nice if this would be fixed, because it will cause lot of problems in further steps :( grettings wolfgang http//www.zefania.de _

Re: [sword-devel] New website - installation instructions

2009-01-06 Thread DM Smith
On Dec 19, 2008, at 11:37 PM, Tonny Kohar wrote: Hi, On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 6:00 AM, DM Smith wrote: Tonny Kohar wrote: Hi, On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 2:41 AM, Tonny Kohar wrote: Hi, On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:06 PM, DM Smith wrote: Both MacSword and JSword will set the instal

Re: [sword-devel] "Neue evangelistische Übersetzun g" available for Sword

2009-01-06 Thread Wolfgang Schultz
Hello Karl, there is the new release with the newline, please test and report any another problems... http://downloads.sourceforge.net/bibleworkplace/sword_neue_v1_1.zip?use_mirror=heanet thanx wolfgang http://www.zefania.de 2009/1/4 Karl Kleinpaste : > The .conf does not end with a newline

Re: [sword-devel] Open source German Volxbibel

2009-01-06 Thread Wolfgang Schultz
Hello; Here are the sources (Zefania XML, Osis and Sword Module) in SVN http://zefania-sharp.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/zefania-sharp/trunk/sf_volxbibel/ have fun wolfgang http://www.zefania.de ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org

Re: [sword-devel] "Neue evangelistische Übersetzun g" available for Sword

2009-01-06 Thread Wolfgang Schultz
Hello, there are the sources (Zefania XML, OSIS and SWORD -module) in SVN http://zefania-sharp.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/zefania-sharp/trunk/sf_neue/ have fun wolfgang http://www.zefania.de ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http

Re: [sword-devel] "Neue evangelistische Übersetzun g" available for Sword

2009-01-06 Thread Wolfgang Schultz
2009/1/4 DM Smith : > Some of our software won't read a line that does not end with a new line. Hello, ok i will change this next release, which software has problems? Sword for Windows and BPBible haven't problems with reading the file. wolfgang ___

Re: [sword-devel] Concerns about Alternate Versification

2009-01-06 Thread Barry Drake
Hi there ... Jonathan Morgan wrote: Exactly: and I say that is the wrong argument to use. We should have something that suits the problem, and I'm not convinced Genbook does. I think there may be a lack of understanding here: GenBook is poroposed as using the new versetreekey code which

Re: [sword-devel] Concerns about Alternate Versification

2009-01-06 Thread Chris Little
Greg Hellings wrote: So how do we label them? ""? Because the reason that they're in that version is because they're probably considered canonical by someone. Just to qualify what I said previously about the purpose of the canonical attribute: it's intended to identify the canonicity of a s

Re: [sword-devel] Concerns about Alternate Versification

2009-01-06 Thread Eeli Kaikkonen
Familie von Kaehne wrote: Not correct. The TSK or any other reference work will have used an underlying particular versification - even if this is not documented. Not only that, but TSK uses explicitly several versifications. It refers to LXX with LXX versification. It's indicated by "book c

Re: [sword-devel] Validating ThML and OSIS modules

2009-01-06 Thread Chris Little
So write it and submit a patch. [Some basic requirements: Don't add library dependencies to Sword itself, make the validator toggleable at runtime, and ensure that the validation library is in C/C++ and can compile under Win32 and with GCC.] --Chris Jonathan Morgan wrote: I feel that, rathe

Re: [sword-devel] Concerns about Alternate Versification

2009-01-06 Thread Greg Hellings
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 3:39 AM, Jonathan Morgan wrote: > On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Chris Little wrote: >> Basically, alternate versification support is phase 1. Mapping between >> versifications is phase 2. > > And I'm saying I don't believe it is ready for use without phase 2. And what I

Re: [sword-devel] Concerns about Alternate Versification

2009-01-06 Thread Jonathan Morgan
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Chris Little wrote: > Basically, alternate versification support is phase 1. Mapping between > versifications is phase 2. And I'm saying I don't believe it is ready for use without phase 2. Jon ___ sword-devel mailing l

Re: [sword-devel] Concerns about Alternate Versification

2009-01-06 Thread Jonathan Morgan
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Greg Hellings wrote: > On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 1:49 AM, Jonathan Morgan wrote: >> Executive summary: I do not believe that alternate versification is >> useful without mapping between versifications, and I am not convinced >> that it is useful doing alternate versif

Re: [sword-devel] Concerns about Alternate Versification

2009-01-06 Thread Chris Little
Basically, alternate versification support is phase 1. Mapping between versifications is phase 2. Jonathan Morgan wrote: I am also concerned about the choice of using Genbooks to represent books, just based (as far as I can tell) on the fact that we already have Genbook support. Is there any t

Re: [sword-devel] Concerns about Alternate Versification

2009-01-06 Thread Greg Hellings
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 1:49 AM, Jonathan Morgan wrote: > Executive summary: I do not believe that alternate versification is > useful without mapping between versifications, and I am not convinced > that it is useful doing alternate versification with Genbooks. > > All of the work and discussion t

Re: [sword-devel] Concerns about Alternate Versification

2009-01-06 Thread Jonathan Morgan
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Familie von Kaehne wrote: > Jonathan Morgan wrote: >> Executive summary: I do not believe that alternate versification is >> useful without mapping between versifications, and I am not convinced >> that it is useful doing alternate versification with Genbooks. >> >>

Re: [sword-devel] Concerns about Alternate Versification

2009-01-06 Thread Familie von Kaehne
Jonathan Morgan wrote: > Executive summary: I do not believe that alternate versification is > useful without mapping between versifications, and I am not convinced > that it is useful doing alternate versification with Genbooks. > > All of the work and discussion that I have seen on alternate > v

[sword-devel] Validating ThML and OSIS modules

2009-01-06 Thread Jonathan Morgan
I feel that, rather than useless debates about whether certain people's modules are valid ThML or whether valid OSIS has been submitted to CrossWire or not, we should augment osis2mod, imp2mod and friends to use a validating XML parser. That way we could be quite sure that anything that has been c