Re: [Fwd: [sword-devel] FACTS]

2003-01-05 Thread Jerry Hastings
At 12:06 AM 1/6/2003 -0500, David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver wrote: ... The hebrew dictionay has this note at the bottom, "The Old Testament Hebrew Lexicon is Brown, Driver, Briggs, Gesenius Lexicon; this is keyed to the "Theological Word Book of the Old Testament." These files are considere

RE: [sword-devel] Accusations...

2003-01-05 Thread Jerry Hastings
I was about ask you about that. :-) The Strongs files are from a file produced by Michael Grier. They seem to be true to the PD printed version. The contact info for Michael Grier no longer works. Jerry At 10:00 PM 1/5/2003 -0700, Chris Little wrote: On Sun, 5 Jan 2003, Chris Little wrote: > G

Re: [Fwd: [sword-devel] FACTS]

2003-01-05 Thread David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver
On Sunday 05 January 2003 10:44 pm, Chris Little wrote: > 2) BDB/Thayer (he calls them something else I think; these are probably > from Larry--BibleWorks asserts as such, though the webpage where these > came from probably said they were PD; his additions apparently include the > TWOT/TDNT/KJV cou

RE: [sword-devel] Accusations...

2003-01-05 Thread Chris Little
On Sun, 5 Jan 2003, Chris Little wrote: > GreekHebrew > HebrewGreek Sorry... made a mistake in that last post. I somehow read StrongsGreek/StrongsHebrew (which are from bf.org or a least linked to from there). These two modules came from their creator, with his permission. They're also avai

RE: [sword-devel] Accusations...

2003-01-05 Thread Chris Little
> 2BabDict -- came through OLB, done by Gary Gallant, TOLBSS contributor > ASV -- based on files from ebible.org & Michael Paul Johnson > Barnes -- apparently came through OLB (we'll have to fix that since a better the source is available) but not Larry's work > Esperanto -- came through OLB,

Re: [Fwd: [sword-devel] FACTS]

2003-01-05 Thread David Landrith
Just a few things to keep in mind while this is being debated (and I don't wish to imply that nobody has been keeping these things in mind): 1. Copyright and patent infringement does not constitute thievery. If it did, we wouldn't need copyright and patent laws. 2. Intellectual property is not

Re: [sword-devel] Accusations...

2003-01-05 Thread Chris Little
> Where did Larry get his works? Primarily from other people, with a few exceptions discussed in my previous email (KJV+strongs, BDB/Thayer, TVM, various corruptions). When noting copyright/requesting permissions in the past we go to the source, not Larry. He has no control over the copyrig

Re: [Fwd: [sword-devel] FACTS]

2003-01-05 Thread Chris Little
On Sun, 5 Jan 2003, Jerry Hastings wrote: > At 04:15 PM 1/5/2003 -0700, Troy A. Griffitts wrote: > >...I've never heard of Larry Nelson or Sulu Kelly. ... > > Larry Nelson did the Jewish Bible (JPS 1917). On the issue of Larry Nelson--good guy. He did a bunch of modules for OLB, like the JPS 1

Re[2]: [sword-devel] Accusations...

2003-01-05 Thread Jonathan E. Brickman
> I read the "Hall of Shame" as a declaration of allegiance to a > deity, but not the one found in the Bible. I must agree. -- Jonathan E. Brickmanhttp://joshuacorps.org All of you, you who feel so compassionate that you want certain people to die. I have a better way. Do you want it?

Re: [Fwd: [sword-devel] FACTS]

2003-01-05 Thread Jerry Hastings
At 04:15 PM 1/5/2003 -0700, Troy A. Griffitts wrote: ...I've never heard of Larry Nelson or Sulu Kelly. ... Larry Nelson did the Jewish Bible (JPS 1917). Sulu Kelly did something with John Wesley's notes. Both of these guys seem to think they get a copyright for being first to put these PD wor

[Fwd: [sword-devel] FACTS]

2003-01-05 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
Forwarded message from Larry. He has a very untraditional way of quoting and responding to email, so see the bottom text beginning with '*' for his response. Anyone know what he's talking about? He still won't be specific. I've never heard of Larry Nelson or Sulu Kelly. Any modules that I

Re: [sword-devel] An Interview With Larry Pierce

2003-01-05 Thread Hugo van der Kooij
On Sun, 5 Jan 2003, Geoffrey W Hastings wrote: > The following article is found at http://www.onlline-bible.com/larry.htm > and http://www.davepohl.com/larry.html the RED text is supplied by me. > This is the text of a 1995 interview with Larry Pierce by Bob Rutter, a > freelance writer based i

Re: [sword-devel] Accusations...

2003-01-05 Thread Patrick Durusau
Jonathan, Jonathan Hughes wrote: Hey Guys, I think we need to be careful with how we react to this because we do not want to go on the offense and start attacking Larry Pierce or the Online Bible. That is not a Christ like response. We need to see what is really bothering Larry and company and

Re: [sword-devel] Accusations...

2003-01-05 Thread Jonathan Hughes
Hey Guys, I think we need to be careful with how we react to this because we do not want to go on the offense and start attacking Larry Pierce or the Online Bible. That is not a Christ like response. We need to see what is really bothering Larry and company and see what we can do to allevi

Re: [sword-devel] Accusations...

2003-01-05 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
Regarding the Indonesian texts, we have a friend at UBS that has put in a good word for us at the Indonesian Bible Society, and we've contacted them directly-- now that they know who we are and what we do-- and have asked them to reconsider. We've offered to removed the modules if they still w

[sword-devel] Online Bible Material

2003-01-05 Thread Geoffrey W Hastings
I forgot to get the web url for this article. This is not the complete article it went on to talk about other software etc..   CyberBibles on a Budget  Bible study programs that leave some change in your pocket.   by Marshall N. Surratt Having just visited a number of software companies

Re: [sword-devel] Accusations...

2003-01-05 Thread David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver
On Sunday 05 January 2003 06:13 am, Patrick Durusau wrote: > I don't think anyone who is familiar with the Sword project or you will > take the accusations at the "Hall of Shame" seriously. The Sword project > has to be mindful of copyright claims to avoid difficulties that would > impend the proje

[sword-devel] Online bible Policies

2003-01-05 Thread Geoffrey W Hastings
I have these CD's From Online Bible ver 6.3 Nov 1995 CD SHAREWARE DEALERSYou are free to give copies of the Online Bible to your friends,GRATIS. If you charge anything for it, even a "nominal disk copyingfee", you must register with us and obtain written permission.  TheOnline Bible material

[sword-devel] An Interview With Larry Pierce

2003-01-05 Thread Geoffrey W Hastings
When the Online Bible first came out in DOS on installation the message said to "please make 2 copies to give away ..." The goal was stated to be that of speading the Bible around the world on desktop computors for free. I believe that is the major reason that attracted all the volunteers to

RE: [sword-devel] Accusations...

2003-01-05 Thread Stephen Denne
A search of my mods.d directory for "OLB" or "Pierce" or "online" leads me to think the following materials may be based on online bible content (mostly because they explicitly say they are): 2BabDict ASV Barnes Esperanto FreCrl GerElb1871 (possibly?) GreekHebrew HebrewGreek IGNT ItaDio ItaRive Ke

Re: [sword-devel] Accusations...

2003-01-05 Thread Patrick Durusau
Troy, I don't think anyone who is familiar with the Sword project or you will take the accusations at the "Hall of Shame" seriously. The Sword project has to be mindful of copyright claims to avoid difficulties that would impend the project. Having said that, I think your record in that regard

Re: [sword-devel] Accusations...

2003-01-05 Thread Jerry Hastings
At 01:50 AM 1/5/2003 -0600, Mike & Amy Swanson wrote: This really upsets me. I sure understand that! Before we all get too worked up about this, lets get the whole story. I have in the past exchanged email with someone that had a copyright issue of a different sort with the OLB people. He tal

Re: [sword-devel] Accusations...

2003-01-05 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
I've been in recent dialog with Larry for about 2 months now. I've done everything I know how-- recently and through the years-- to try to please him, even honoring unfounded claims of copyright that he makes. I'm not sure why he's been so rash in his correspondence lately. The short of it is

Re: [sword-devel] Accusations...

2003-01-05 Thread Jerry Hastings
At 02:51 AM 1/5/2003 -0500, David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver wrote: I used to use the OLB back in my windows days, and I specifically remember there being public domain notices on modules in their copyright info. 1)If OLB can use them because they're pd then other people can too I would thi