Jonathan,

Jonathan Hughes wrote:

Hey Guys,

	I think we need to be careful with how we react to this because we do
not want to go on the offense and start attacking Larry Pierce or the
Online Bible. That is not a Christ like response. We need to see what is
really bothering Larry and company and see what we can do to alleviate
the problems. It looks like Troy has already started to do this.
	

And the measure for a "Christ like response" is? Seems like I recall some story about Jesus driving money lenders from the temple with a whip.

If you want to find out what is bothering Larry, knock yourself out. For my part, I don't need to find out in order to know that his attacks on Troy are unwarranted. I am not even curious about whatever may have prompted the attack.

If rather than a web based attack on Troy and the Sword project, Larry communicated his concerns to Troy, we would be at a different point in this dicussion. My response, particularly to attacks on people who I know are doing good work with very little thanks, is the treat the source with all the consideration it is due.

Patrick


I have some questions for Troy or anyone that might know the answers
(Chris?). I am trying to get a complete picture of this:

Where did Larry get his works?
How did he get the NIV and NKJV, etc. in electronic form?
How did we get the tools to convert the OLB modules to SWORD modules?
(We would have to know the format of the OLB modules to make a tool to
convert between the two, how did we find out the OLB format)

How did we get the modules if Troy never had the OLB CD?
As far as you know what modules did we convert from OLB modules?

-Jonathan Hughes
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On Sun, 2003-01-05 at 03:31, Christian Renz wrote:

This info came just in via the support list (sorry for the full
quote, but I think not everybody is in that list):

On Sat, Jan 04, 2003 at 08:23:13PM -0600, Levey wrote:

I have followed your work for years and occasionally look at your source or
try one of your projects.  I used to mostly use the Online Bible, which you
thanked in your online materials, and now mostly the eSword program.

I was surprised then to find a "hall of shame" on their site listing you
(and eSword) as villains who are stealing their work (
http://www.onlinebible.net/hallofshame.html ).  What gives here?  I thought
you had permission -- or none was needed -- to use their files.  Could you
please comment on this.  They are using strong language towards you: "Sword
Project. Troy blatantly lifted all the material from the Online Bible CD and
then claimed it as public domain. We have a registered copyright with the
Library of Congress which states otherwise. Troy is running a "Bible
Society" founded on stolen material."

Please give me your input on this.  I'm really surprised they have taken
this stance.  So far as I know you do not distribute locked modules and are
not a commercial enterprise.

Thanks.  Paul Levey.

I guess it would be good to react to this _quickly_. Do we still have
a large number of modules created out of OLB sources? These days, most
files seem to be created out of electronic plain texts independent of
OLB, making the claim somewhat pointless. Or might they be referring
to the locked NIV etc. modules?

Greetings,
  Christian

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