Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-04-30 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 04/30/2011 02:12 AM, Ronald C.F. Antony wrote: > On 29 Apr 2011, at 19:15, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: > >> but you are right, we are still heavily in the DIY + "slightly >> kludgy" realm. then again, most ambisonics fans will be, too. have >> to :) > > That's large part of the problem of lack o

Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-04-30 Thread Richard
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Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-04-30 Thread Michael Graves
On Fri, 29 Apr 2011 14:57:53 +0200, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: >On 04/29/2011 02:30 PM, Michael Graves wrote: >> On Fri, 29 Apr 2011 11:28:06 +0300, Eero Aro wrote: >> >>> Hi All >>> >>> A Minim AD7 Ambisonic decoder seems to be for sale on a >>> Finnish discussion forum: >>> >>> http://www.hifiha

Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-04-30 Thread umashankar mantravadi
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[Sursound] Question regarding UHJ Encoding - Decoding

2011-04-30 Thread Richard
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Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-04-30 Thread Richard Dobson
On 30/04/2011 01:12, Ronald C.F. Antony wrote: On 29 Apr 2011, at 19:15, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: .. I sometimes wish these people could be locked away in a closet and released only after 1st order Ambisonics is sufficiently accepted by the audio community at large and the consumer electronics

Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-04-30 Thread Eero Aro
Richard wrote: Hmmm, out of interest, how many more should there be. I am definitely not the right person to answer to that, but: UHJ decoders with better directional "resolution" used to have four 10-pole phase shifters. The three AD7 shifters are eight pole (if I remember right, would need to

Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-04-30 Thread Richard
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Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-04-30 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 03:50:19PM +0100, Richard Dobson wrote: > On 30/04/2011 01:12, Ronald C.F. Antony wrote: > >> I sometimes wish these people could be locked away in a closet and >> released only after 1st order Ambisonics is sufficiently accepted by >> the audio community at large and the c

Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-04-30 Thread Richard Dobson
On 30/04/2011 18:47, Fons Adriaensen wrote: On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 03:50:19PM +0100, Richard Dobson wrote: On 30/04/2011 01:12, Ronald C.F. Antony wrote: I sometimes wish these people could be locked away in a closet and released only after 1st order Ambisonics is sufficiently accepted by th

Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-04-30 Thread Martin Leese
"Richard" wrote: > I think Eero wrote: >> The AD-7 was designed to use a small number of components, >> it has just three phase shifters. The AD-7 is not a precision >> reference decoder, but at least for me, it did it's job for music >> listening. > > Hmmm, out of interest, how many more

[Sursound] Question regarding UHJ Encoding - Decoding

2011-04-30 Thread Richard Lee
I have questions about UHJ decoding too. Richard, how did you get your decoding eqns? My question is about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambisonic_UHJ_format It has separate decoding eqns for 2 & 3 channel UHJ. They are consistent except for Y Y = 0.763*D + j*0.385*S 2-channe

Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-04-30 Thread Richard
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[Sursound] Mark Decker & "The Bells!"

2011-04-30 Thread Richard Lee
IIRC, Mark Decker recorded a BBC radio drama where a man is killed by being tied up in a bellfry with the bells pealing away. Can't remember the title but I remember reading a web page where he describes this experience which was his first use of a Mk4 Calrec Soundfield. I'd appreciate a link t

Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-04-30 Thread Marc Lavallée
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Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-04-30 Thread Richard
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Re: [Sursound] Mark Decker & "The Bells!"

2011-04-30 Thread Eero Aro
Richard Lee wrote: IIRC, Mark Decker recorded a BBC radio drama where a man is killed by being tied up in a bellfry with the bells pealing away. Can't remember the title but I remember reading a web page where he describes this experience which was his first use of a Mk4 Calrec Soundfield. I'd

Re: [Sursound] Mark Decker & "The Bells!"

2011-04-30 Thread Luiz Gonçalo de Moraes Prado
Hmm... This "scene" where a man is killed-by-acoustics in the belfry happens - it's actually pivotal to the plot - in Dorothy L. Sayers "The Nine Taylors" which was dramatized by Alastair Beaton and directed by Martin Fisher... Ian Carmichael played Lord Peter... And it was broadcast on Radio Four,

Re: [Sursound] Mark Decker & "The Bells!"

2011-04-30 Thread Eero Aro
Hi Richard I do have a DAT copy of the Nine Tailors. I can make a copy if you wish. Would you happen to have that article in pdf? The duration is...errh... longish. I try to find some time to do the copy. Please don't make a number of this copy of mine on the list. I'd rather keep it low profi

Re: [Sursound] Mark Decker & "The Bells!"

2011-04-30 Thread Luiz Gonçalo de Moraes Prado
On 30/04/11 18:16, "Eero Aro" wrote: > The Nine Tailors, 29/8/86 > > http://members.cox.net/surround/uhjdisc/uhjhtm.htm#Radio > > Eero > Ouch!... I picked the wrong taylors... :p ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.mus

Re: [Sursound] Mark Decker & "The Bells!"

2011-04-30 Thread Eero Aro
I wrote: Please don't make a number of this copy of mine on the list. I'd rather keep it low profile :-) Haha! My own fault! Didn't watch what I was doing. I guess it's time for be for me... Sorry bout that :-) Eero ___ Sursound mailing list Sursoun

Re: [Sursound] Mark Decker & "The Bells!"

2011-04-30 Thread Eero Aro
Luiz Gonçalo de Moraes Prado wrote: Could it be that someone at the BBC didn't know what to do with a four-track b-format master? There were no B-Format masters. Mark was encoding into UHJ and editing in UHJ. The transmission copies are UHJ. Eero ___

Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-04-30 Thread Marc Lavallée
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Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-04-30 Thread Gerard Lardner
hael Graves >> mgravesmstvp.com >> http://www.mgraves.org >> o713-861-4005 >> c713-201-1262 >> sip:mgra...@mstvp.onsip.com >> skype mjgraves >> Twitter mjgraves >> >> >> >> __

Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-04-30 Thread Gerard Lardner
I have an AD10 in the music system in my office. The AD10 had circuitry for B-format input as well as more options on the front switches. I have also read that the component quality of the AD10 was better than that for the AD7, but never having seen an AD7 I can't comment on that. >From some docum

Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-04-30 Thread Marc Lavallée
Sat, 30 Apr 2011 15:50:19 +0100, Richard Dobson wrote : > The preoccupation on this list has always been the pursuit of > "the best possible", defined as mm-perfect localization over a more > or less large area, with cost and number of speakers no object. Then why not start a dedicated forum (

Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-04-30 Thread Stefan Schreiber
Gerard Lardner wrote: Perhaps something on the lines of a PlugComputer running Plug Ubuntu, a USB sound card, Linux software packaged for simple use and having a web control interface, and an iPhone app to control it all? The hardware (PlugComputer and sound card) then could be <$200, I think (

Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-04-30 Thread Marc Lavallée
Sun, 01 May 2011 01:44:38 +0100, Stefan Schreiber wrote : > Gerard Lardner wrote: > > >Perhaps something on the lines of a PlugComputer running Plug > >Ubuntu, a USB sound card, Linux software packaged for simple use and > >having a web control interface, and an iPhone app to control it all? > >

Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-04-30 Thread umashankar mantravadi
i have the sabrent. it works very well in windows with asio for all. it is advertised as 7.1 but has eight identical output channels (you have to watch out for virtual 7,1 boxes) i have bult myself an eight channel digiital amplifier using quad cards from sure electronics (50 usd including sh

Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-04-30 Thread Stefan Schreiber
Fons Adriaensen wrote: Or snobs as the OP called them. And yes, I'd agree that the battle to get 1st order into the consumer world has been lost. It was lost at least ten years ago. I'm not going to sit in a corner and make myself unhappy because of that. Ciao, However, there are now some

Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-04-30 Thread Stefan Schreiber
Richard Dobson wrote: Should that be a surprise ? If as a composer you are used to just placing a speaker in the right place when you want a particular sound to come from a certain direction in a concert, would you be impressed by the performance of first order Ambisonics ? Yes! I still am.

Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-04-30 Thread Marc Lavallée
Sun, 1 May 2011 07:09:04 +0530, umashankar mantravadi a écrit : > i have the sabrent. it works very well in windows with asio for all. > it is advertised as 7.1 but has eight identical output channels (you > have to watch out for virtual 7,1 boxes) i have bult myself an eight > channel digiital a

Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-04-30 Thread Stefan Schreiber
Marc Lavallée wrote: An appropriate discussion could be about how to scale the quality of the experience from stereo to first-order ambisonics with four speakers up to eight and more, in the same room. Installing a good surround system is not very different from installing a good-enough stereo

Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-04-30 Thread umashankar mantravadi
maybe a little unrelated. i just sold a brahma 140 (14 mm capsules) and zoom modified to a new york film crew. they plan to use the microphone mounted on the camera. i had been a film sound recordist for 25 years, and even with stereo, i preferred a stable sound image for a whole scene, without

[Sursound] Early 3D sound

2011-04-30 Thread Stefan Schreiber
FYI... http://www.codemasters.com/research/3D_sound_for_3D_games.pdf This article is from 2009, and I think very well-written. If I reflect about 3D audio initiatives O:-) , this article is way ahead even of some more recent attempts, in the sense that the represented solution actually works