Re: [Sursound] Speaker configs + subwoofers

2011-05-12 Thread Pedro Lopes
Thanks for the responses Jörn, they area most helpful. I will try the bi-rectangle as well, I was talking bout that layout in another thread here by the way :) Best, Pedro 2011/5/12 Jörn Nettingsmeier : > Jörn -- Pedro Lopes (MSc) contact: pedro.lo...@ist.utl.pt website: http://web.ist.utl.pt

Re: [Sursound] Speaker configs + subwoofers

2011-05-12 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 10:48:34PM +0200, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: > On 05/12/2011 10:42 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > >> I guess it depends all on the size of the array. If you're sitting >> 1.5 meters from a speaker then having the LF and HF drivers apart >> by 0.4 m or so isn't going to help and

Re: [Sursound] Speaker configs + subwoofers

2011-05-12 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 05/12/2011 10:42 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: I guess it depends all on the size of the array. If you're sitting 1.5 meters from a speaker then having the LF and HF drivers apart by 0.4 m or so isn't going to help and something like the KEF eggs would be a better idea. I've heard 32 of them in

Re: [Sursound] Speaker configs + subwoofers

2011-05-12 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 07:46:56PM +0200, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: >> Is it acceptable if the mid-high speakers go down to 150Hz while the >> subs go up to 700Hz? What would be an appropriate upper frequency limit >> for the subs? How to adjust all the decoders to handle different and >> overlapp

Re: [Sursound] Speaker configs + subwoofers

2011-05-12 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 07:16:41PM +0200, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: > On 05/11/2011 01:03 AM, Gerard Lardner wrote: >> There was a discussion about speakers for Ambisonics a few years ago. I >> can't remember exactly when. But I do seem to recall that it was >> suggested that speakers having a sing

Re: [Sursound] Speaker configs + subwoofers

2011-05-12 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 05/12/2011 07:55 PM, Marc Lavallée wrote: Le 12 mai 2011 13:46:56, Jörn Nettingsmeier a écrit : On 05/11/2011 03:42 AM, Marc Lavallée wrote: I like this idea of a full-sphere bass setup. There would be 3 (small) subs on the floor (front-left, front-right, rear-center) and one on the ceiling

Re: [Sursound] Speaker configs + subwoofers

2011-05-12 Thread Marc Lavallée
Le 12 mai 2011 13:46:56, Jörn Nettingsmeier a écrit : > On 05/11/2011 03:42 AM, Marc Lavallée wrote: > > I like this idea of a full-sphere bass setup. There would be 3 (small) > > subs on the floor (front-left, front-right, rear-center) and one on the > > ceiling (like a Z bass channel). > > i dou

Re: [Sursound] Speaker configs + subwoofers

2011-05-12 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 05/11/2011 03:42 AM, Marc Lavallée wrote: I like this idea of a full-sphere bass setup. There would be 3 (small) subs on the floor (front-left, front-right, rear-center) and one on the ceiling (like a Z bass channel). i doubt the Z in bass will buy you much. it might even be detrimental, b

Re: [Sursound] Speaker configs + subwoofers

2011-05-12 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 05/11/2011 03:24 AM, Pedro Lopes wrote: The situation: ambisonics 3d setup for 3d audio. 8 channels, cube setup (a quad above the other). The room is 3x3 meters wide. be sure to try the bi-rectangle as well. Speaker choice/budget restrictions: active speakers. Yamaha hs50 or mackie mr5. 15

Re: [Sursound] Speaker configs + subwoofers

2011-05-12 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 05/11/2011 01:03 AM, Gerard Lardner wrote: There was a discussion about speakers for Ambisonics a few years ago. I can't remember exactly when. But I do seem to recall that it was suggested that speakers having a single axis (e.g. a single, wide-range driver or concentric drivers) would be bet

Re: [Sursound] Speaker configs + subwoofers

2011-05-10 Thread Marc Lavallée
Tue, 10 May 2011 11:07:14 -0600, Martin Leese wrote : > Marc Lavall?e wrote: > ... > > Here's some random thoughts (comments are welcome): > ... > > - I learned that it's possible to use subwoofers with Ambisonic; > > but a minimum of four subwoofers are required with a dedicated FOA > > decoder

Re: [Sursound] Speaker configs + subwoofers

2011-05-10 Thread Pedro Lopes
Nice tips. I have a related question regarding how should speakers radiate sound waves, in ambisonic situations. I'd like to get some feedback on my difficult choice between yamaha hs50 vs. Mackie mr5. The situation: ambisonics 3d setup for 3d audio. 8 channels, cube setup (a quad above the other)

Re: [Sursound] Speaker configs + subwoofers

2011-05-10 Thread Pedro Lopes
le uni-q for less than 100 dollars. http://cgi.ebay.com/KEF-Hts1001-2-Bookshelf-Speaker-w-Wall-Bracket-Each-/130516799735?pt=Speakers_Subwoofers&hash=item1e636850f7 Chris Boozer > >From: Gerard Lardner >To: sursound@music.vt.edu >Sent: Tuesday, May 10

Re: [Sursound] Speaker configs + subwoofers

2011-05-10 Thread chris boozer
ject: Re: [Sursound] Speaker configs + subwoofers > >There was a discussion about speakers for Ambisonics a few years ago. I >can't remember exactly when. But I do seem to recall that it was >suggested that speakers having a single axis (e.g. a single, wide-range >driver or c

Re: [Sursound] Speaker configs + subwoofers

2011-05-10 Thread Gerard Lardner
There was a discussion about speakers for Ambisonics a few years ago. I can't remember exactly when. But I do seem to recall that it was suggested that speakers having a single axis (e.g. a single, wide-range driver or concentric drivers) would be better than speakers having drivers spread relative

Re: [Sursound] Speaker configs + subwoofers

2011-05-10 Thread Martin Leese
Marc Lavall?e wrote: ... > Here's some random thoughts (comments are welcome): ... > - I learned that it's possible to use subwoofers with Ambisonic; but a > minimum of four subwoofers are required with a dedicated FOA decoder. As subwoofers handle frequencies well below 700 Hz, you need a mini

Re: [Sursound] Speaker configs + subwoofers

2011-05-09 Thread umashankar mantravadi
. read (or buy) at http://stores.lulu.com/umashankar > Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 20:54:21 -0400 > From: m...@hacklava.net > To: sursound@music.vt.edu > Subject: Re: [Sursound] Speaker configs + subwoofers > > > I found very little information about domestic Ambisonic speakers &g

Re: [Sursound] Speaker configs + subwoofers

2011-05-09 Thread Marc Lavallée
I found very little information about domestic Ambisonic speakers setups. All I know is that it's better to use the same speakers and amplifiers for the whole setup... I adopted the layout proposed by Bo-Erik Sandholm (10 speakers), and now I have to find the right speakers. Here's some random th

Re: [Sursound] Speaker configs + subwoofers

2011-05-09 Thread Gerard Lardner
There's also the Yahoo group Quarter-Wave (http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/quarter-wave/), where there is discussion of loudspeaker design, and the related website Quarter Wavelength Loudspeaker Design (http://www.quarter-wave.com/) where there is Mathcad software for loudspeaker design. Mostly

Re: [Sursound] Speaker configs + subwoofers

2011-05-08 Thread Bo-Erik Sandholm
A bit out of topic but if anyone else is into building their own speaker cabinets. Let me point you to a document that is very good in explaining the design choices in a cabinet for the bass frequencies. http://www.sonicdesign.se/optimum.html Regards Bo-Erik -Original Message- From