Re: [Sursound] Why do you need to decode ambisonic/b format signals ?

2011-01-23 Thread Andrew Levine
Hi Robert, On 24.01.2011, at 06:26, Robert Greene wrote: > Does anyone really like the sound of the human voice > from four inches away for example? Actually that's quite a distance ;-) Really, spot miking can come in handy. Sometimes you want to capture an intimacy that can only be had at clos

Re: [Sursound] Why do you need to decode ambisonic/b format signals ?

2011-01-23 Thread Robert Greene
Of course. Except that when everyone makes recordings the wrong way, then people are likely to prefer the recordings played back a complementary wrong way. Why would anyone want to hear most commercial recordings as they actually are? Does anyone really like the sound of the human voice from fou

Re: [Sursound] Why do you need to decode ambisonic/b format signals ?

2011-01-23 Thread Robert Greene
I have a photo of my great grandfather's house in Germany with my great grandfather standing in front of it. Try that with a digital photo on a memory stick in a hundred years(which is roughly how old the photo is--a bit older actually). Books, pictures, records endure. Digital information is he

Re: [Sursound] Why do you need to decode ambisonic/b format signals ?

2011-01-23 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 23 Jan 2011, at 23:52, Robert Greene wrote: > Of course this completely ignored the fact > that in blind testing years ago, > everyone preferred cassettes of vinyl > to vinyl itself(which ought to have > told people something about the recording > industry's recording practices). Sounds like t

Re: [Sursound] Why do you need to decode ambisonic/b format signals ?

2011-01-23 Thread Robert Greene
Definitely not, and none of the things that were recorded that way will be playable except by archivists. But that is fair enough since none of the music being provided that way will be of any interest to anyone except cultural(using the word loosely) historians anyway. Robert On Sun, 23 Jan 20

Re: [Sursound] Why do you need to decode ambisonic/b format signals ?

2011-01-23 Thread Robert Greene
Actually, I think the remarks below represent a bit of a misconception about stereo playback. In actuality, if one used more speakers one could make stereo playback better in the sense that one could widen the spot in which it sounded reasonably correct. In actuality, if one sits absolutely sti

Re: [Sursound] Why do you need to decode ambisonic/b format signals ?

2011-01-23 Thread Robert Greene
Of course this completely ignored the fact that in blind testing years ago, everyone preferred cassettes of vinyl to vinyl itself(which ought to have told people something about the recording industry's recording practices). Robert On Sun, 23 Jan 2011, dave.mal...@york.ac.uk wrote: On Jan 23 2

Re: [Sursound] Why do you need to decode ambisonic/b format signals ?

2011-01-23 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 01/23/2011 03:48 PM, Eero Aro wrote: In my opinion, you can skip the on-going discussion about UHJ, it's more or less academic. UHJ was developed in the 1980's, at the time when vinyl LP and FM radio were the most important carriers. UHJ isn't needed anymore. i beg to differ. it is still ve

Re: [Sursound] Why do you need to decode ambisonic/b format signals ?

2011-01-23 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 01/23/2011 02:53 PM, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 12:39:19AM +0100, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: http://stackingdwarves.net/public_stuff/linux_audio/tmt10/TMT2010_J%c3%b6rn_Nettingsmeier-Higher_order_Ambisonics-Slides.pdf Nice ! But I don't really agree with some of the

Re: [Sursound] Why do you need to decode ambisonic/b format signals ?

2011-01-23 Thread Eero Aro
True, so true - not something I'd choose, but. I'll go downstairs and wind up my HMV Gramophone from 1905, it's still working. Will my mp3 player do the same after 100 years? Eero ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.

Re: [Sursound] Why do you need to decode ambisonic/b format signals ?

2011-01-23 Thread dave . malham
On Jan 23 2011, Eero Aro wrote: Dave, I find a paradox in your sentence: who wants to use vinyl (or even cassette!) for aesthetic reasons Aesthetic, vinyl - yes! Agree. But cassette !!!??? What? Well, the beauty is in the eye of the beholder :-) True, so true - not something I'd choose,

Re: [Sursound] Why do you need to decode ambisonic/b format signals ?

2011-01-23 Thread Stefan Schreiber
Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: On 01/23/2011 01:41 AM, Stefan Schreiber wrote: In fact, the introduced "system" might deliver better results than say Dolby Pro Logic IIz. that's like saying "this new car model is a lot faster than a dead whale on the beach" :-D This is a cool analogy...

Re: [Sursound] Why do you need to decode ambisonic/b format signals ?

2011-01-23 Thread Eero Aro
Dave, I find a paradox in your sentence: who wants to use vinyl (or even cassette!) for aesthetic reasons Aesthetic, vinyl - yes! Agree. But cassette !!!??? What? Well, the beauty is in the eye of the beholder :-) Eero ___ Sursound mailing list S

Re: [Sursound] Why do you need to decode ambisonic/b format signals ?

2011-01-23 Thread dave . malham
On Jan 23 2011, dave.mal...@york.ac.uk wrote: that there are no stereo cylinder players as I'm sure someone would want that too - see http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10171129 or better yet - http://www.touchmusic.org.uk/news/the_wire_wax_cylinders_and_evp.html - wax cylinders are clearly the wave

Re: [Sursound] Why do you need to decode ambisonic/b format signals ?

2011-01-23 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 23 Jan 2011, at 13:50, dave.mal...@york.ac.uk wrote: > On Jan 23 2011, Eero Aro wrote: > > >> In my opinion, you can skip the on-going discussion about UHJ, it's more or >> less academic. UHJ was developed in the 1980's, at the time when vinyl LP >> and FM radio were the most important carri

Re: [Sursound] Why do you need to decode ambisonic/b format signals ?

2011-01-23 Thread dave . malham
On Jan 23 2011, Eero Aro wrote: In my opinion, you can skip the on-going discussion about UHJ, it's more or less academic. UHJ was developed in the 1980's, at the time when vinyl LP and FM radio were the most important carriers. UHJ isn't needed anymore. Unless, of course, you are a musician

[Sursound] AMB Playback

2011-01-23 Thread Bill de Garis
On 23/01/2011 5:25 a.m., Justin Bennett wrote: Snip I have a simple 4 channel ambi decoder programmed into the built- in mixer of my computer's sound card. I just choose the preset, play the 4 channel B-format file and it decodes it for me. Would you mind giving out the details of this, or is i

Re: [Sursound] Why do you need to decode ambisonic/b format signals ?

2011-01-23 Thread Martin Leese
Augustine Leudar wrote: > Im sure Im missing something obvious here but humour me. With a stereo > signal I can just place two speakers in a line and have my stereo signal > send two discrete channels to each speakers, each channel representiong one > channel of my stereo microphone. The same wit

Re: [Sursound] Why do you need to decode ambisonic/b format signals ?

2011-01-23 Thread Robert Greene
Anyone who would like an introduction to spherical harmonics expansions could have a look at this(which I wrote myself) http://www.regonaudio.com/SphericalHarmonics.pdf as an introduction for audio people. It is perhaps worth noting that spherical harmonics (and Fourier expansion of periodic fun

Re: [Sursound] Why do you need to decode ambisonic/b format signals ?

2011-01-23 Thread Eero Aro
Gus As Fons already said, there is information available about Ambisonics. First check out these two sites: http://martin_leese.tripod.com/Ambisonic/ http://www.ambisonic.net/ In quadrophic systems the angle between adjacent speakers is 90 degrees (or more), which isn't enough to create stabile

Re: [Sursound] Why do you need to decode ambisonic/b format signals ?

2011-01-23 Thread fons
On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 12:39:19AM +0100, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: > http://stackingdwarves.net/public_stuff/linux_audio/tmt10/TMT2010_J%c3%b6rn_Nettingsmeier-Higher_order_Ambisonics-Slides.pdf Nice ! But I don't really agree with some of the reasoning :-) There's a logical 'jump' in there whic

[Sursound] The 17th International Conference on Auditory Display (ICAD)-Online submissions now open

2011-01-23 Thread David Worrall
Hi everyone, Hippy New Ears! Is anyone else using ambisonics or sursound for sonification? If so, check this out [ apologies for doubles], David Call for Participation The 17th International Conference on Auditory Display (ICAD) Hotel Mercure Buda Budapest, Hungary June 20-24, 2011 UR

[Sursound] Why do you need to decode ambisonic/b format signals ?

2011-01-23 Thread Justin Bennett
Hi Gus, of course you can do what you suggest, but, speaking practically, ambisonic recording, encoding and decoding makes it possible to, for instance, go out into the field with one microphone, and record in (only) four channels. Later, depending on the situation, I can decide whether to listen

Re: [Sursound] Why do you need to decode ambisonic/b format signals ?

2011-01-23 Thread fons
On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 06:24:23PM -0800, Danny McCarty wrote: > >> Now this isn't too condescending is it? I certainly wasn't meant to be. From the question it was quite clear that the original poster started with zero of very little background on AMB. Taking note of this is not a reflection on

Re: [Sursound] Why do you need to decode ambisonic/b format signals ?

2011-01-23 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 01/23/2011 01:41 AM, Stefan Schreiber wrote: In fact, the introduced "system" might deliver better results than say Dolby Pro Logic IIz. that's like saying "this new car model is a lot faster than a dead whale on the beach" :-D -- Jörn Nettingsmeier Lortzingstr. 11, 45128 Essen, Tel. +49