[Starlink] Seeking technical speaker on measuring/measured Starlink performance

2023-03-12 Thread Eugene Y Chang via Starlink
Friends, I am seeking a technical speaker for the Hawaii IEEE Communications Society chapter. My wish list (negotiable): Realtime remote presentation followed by Q&A Challenges of measuring real Starlink performance Best practices for measuring Starlink performance What has been measured… The goo

Re: [Starlink] some post Starship launch thoughts

2023-04-25 Thread Eugene Y Chang via Starlink
Engine thrust is a combination of the mass of the gas and the temperature (a measure of velocity). So coolling the gas (aka absorbing the heat) is part of absorbing the momentum from the engine thrust. The more speed in the rocket exhaust, the more wear and tear of the equipment in the exhaust

Re: [Starlink] some post Starship launch thoughts

2023-04-26 Thread Eugene Y Chang via Starlink
Rodney, I agree with your point of view. To neutralize the exhaust of the rocket engine, it is all about taking the energy out of the exhaust. Taking out the energy will slow the speed of the exhaust gas and take down the temperature. To get into more nitty gritty, the amount of heat absorbed b

Re: [Starlink] [E-impact] DataCenters in Space (was Re: fiber IXPs in space)

2023-04-26 Thread Eugene Y Chang via Starlink
Wow … 5.1 square kilometer of solar panels. It is going to be really good at catching micrometeorites and small space debris. A few small nicks won’t matter. Should we care? The James Webb already caught a few in it’s mirror. So far it wasn’t serious. Gene ---

Re: [Starlink] Quick questions about Starlink user terminal

2023-05-11 Thread Eugene Y Chang via Starlink
Usually it is deliberate that equipment does not transmit while receiving. This is to prevent the transmit power from overloading the receiver. This problem can be avoided if the TX and RX are on widely separated freaquencies and antenna configurations to keep the TX signal out of the RX signal

Re: [Starlink] Quick questions about Starlink user terminal

2023-05-11 Thread Eugene Y Chang via Starlink
t; On Thu, 11 May 2023, Eugene Y Chang via Starlink wrote: > >> What do we know about Starlink’s use of laser links for >> satellite-to-satellite communications? I am most curious about the >> challenges of pointing the laser at a moving target. > > We know they do it

Re: [Starlink] FCC Chair Rosenworcel Proposes to Investigate Impact of Data Caps

2023-06-19 Thread Eugene Y Chang via Starlink
Is the language carefully chosen to imply it can provide data links for classified satellites? Gene -- Eugene Chang IEEE Senior Life Member eugene.ch...@ieee.org m 781-799-0233 (in Honolulu) > On Jun 18, 2023, at 10:21 PM, David Fernández via Starli

Re: [Starlink] It’s the Latency, FCC

2024-04-30 Thread Eugene Y Chang via Starlink
I am always surprised how complicated these discussions become. (Surprised mostly because I forgot the kind of issues this community care about.) The discussion doesn’t shed light on the following scenarios. While watching stream content, activating controls needed to switch content sometimes (

Re: [Starlink] It’s the Latency, FCC

2024-04-30 Thread Eugene Y Chang via Starlink
Colin, I agree with your comments. Where do the 3 - 8 sec pauses in my video experience fit this discussion? An occasional pause (once an evening) pause might be overlooked. Several times in a program suggest a systemic problem. Gene -- Eugene Chang IEE

Re: [Starlink] It’s the Latency, FCC

2024-04-30 Thread Eugene Y Chang via Starlink
Colin, I am overwhelmed with all the reasons that prevent low(er) or consistent latency. I think that our best ISP offerings should deliver graceful, agile, or nimble service. Sure, handle all the high-volume data. The high-volume service just shouldn’t preclude graceful service. Yes, the curren

Re: [Starlink] It’s the Latency, FCC

2024-04-30 Thread Eugene Y Chang via Starlink
azing. I feel a sea change in the > wind... > > > > On Tue, Apr 30, 2024, 12:51 PM Eugene Y Chang via Starlink > mailto:starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>> > wrote: > Colin, > I am overwhelmed with all the reasons that prevent low(er) or consistent > latency. > I think

Re: [Starlink] It’s the Latency, FCC

2024-04-30 Thread Eugene Y Chang via Starlink
> Skype: casioa5302ca > > frantisek.bor...@gmail.com <mailto:frantisek.bor...@gmail.com> > > On Tue, Apr 30, 2024 at 11:22 PM Eugene Y Chang via Starlink > mailto:starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>> > wrote: > OK. I need help teaching my ISPs that they can

Re: [Starlink] Itʼs the Latency, FCC

2024-04-30 Thread Eugene Y Chang via Starlink
campaign. Gene -- Eugene Chang IEEE Life Senior Member > On Apr 30, 2024, at 2:36 PM, David Lang wrote: > > On Tue, 30 Apr 2024, Eugene Y Chang via Starlink wrote: > >> I am always surprised how complicated these discussions

Re: [Starlink] Itʼs the Latency, FCC

2024-04-30 Thread Eugene Y Chang via Starlink
be glad to participate in defining a demo and publicity campaign. >> >> Gene >> >> >>> On Apr 30, 2024, at 2:36 PM, David Lang >> <mailto:da...@lang.hm>> wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024, Eugene Y Chang via Starli

Re: [Starlink] Itʼs the Latency, FCC

2024-05-01 Thread Eugene Y Chang via Starlink
reate a demo to show the solution? >>>> To show is more effective than to debate. It is impossible to explain to >>>> some people. >>>> Has anyone tried to create a demo (to unseat the bandwidth mantra)? >>>> Is an effective demo too complicated to c

Re: [Starlink] It’s the Latency, FCC

2024-05-01 Thread Eugene Y Chang via Starlink
't need to talk with us at all, it's easy to deploy. >> >> >> All the best, >> >> Frank >> >> Frantisek (Frank) Borsik >> >> >> >> https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik >> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/f

Re: [Starlink] Itʼs the Latency, FCC

2024-05-01 Thread Eugene Y Chang via Starlink
t;>> Eugene Chang >>>> IEEE Life Senior Member >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Apr 30, 2024, at 3:52 PM, Jim Forster wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Gene, David, >>>>> ‘m >>>>> Agreed that the technica

Re: [Starlink] musings on disruption and competition [was] It’s the Latency, FCC

2024-05-01 Thread Eugene Y Chang via Starlink
> On Apr 30, 2024, at 10:48 PM, Sebastian Moeller wrote: > > Hi Frank. > > On 1 May 2024 09:27:37 CEST, Frantisek Borsik via Starlink > mailto:starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>> > wrote: >> Basically, Eugene, the situation you are describing is calling for a >> competitor to disrupt them! > >

Re: [Starlink] Itʼs the Latency, FCC

2024-05-01 Thread Eugene Y Chang via Starlink
>>>> On Apr 30, 2024, at 3:52 PM, Jim Forster >>>> <mailto:j...@connectivitycap.com>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Gene, David, > >>>> ‘m > >>>> Agreed that the technical problem is largely solved with cake & codel.

Re: [Starlink] Itʼs the Latency, FCC

2024-05-01 Thread Eugene Y Chang via Starlink
lulu) > On May 1, 2024, at 11:27 AM, Sebastian Moeller wrote: > > Hi Gene, > > >> On 1. May 2024, at 23:12, Eugene Y Chang via Starlink >> mailto:starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>> >> wrote: >> >> Thank you David. >> >> Now, shi

Re: [Starlink] The "reasons" that bufferbloat isn't a problem

2024-05-06 Thread Eugene Y Chang via Starlink
550/21au/papers/bufferbloat.pdf>[2] > > https://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/bloat/wiki/What_can_I_do_about_Bufferbloat/ > > <https://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/bloat/wiki/What_can_I_do_about_Bufferbloat/> > [3] > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/pipermail/cerowrt-devel/2012-May/

Re: [Starlink] The "reasons" that bufferbloat isn't a problem

2024-05-06 Thread Eugene Y Chang via Starlink
etter. And actually >> solving the problem would have a network effect of bringing in others with >> the same problem. >> >> Good luck, and thanks for thinking about this. >> >> Rich Brown >> >> [1] >> https://courses.cs.washington.edu

Re: [Starlink] The "reasons" that bufferbloat isn't a problem

2024-05-07 Thread Eugene Y Chang via Starlink
Dave, Thank you for calling attention to the RFC. I took a quick peek, and I need to put more time into reading the whole doc. It feels very intuitive. What I like is that it is written for incremental adoption. I will focus on that in my next pass. It opens the door to be incrementally deployed

Re: [Starlink] The "reasons" that bufferbloat isn't a problem

2024-05-07 Thread Eugene Y Chang via Starlink
I thought I saw a reference to an OpenWRT implementation with L4S. How well does that work? Gene -- Eugene Chang > On May 7, 2024, at 9:46 AM, Dave Taht wrote: > > Pete heist, jon morton, and rod grimes published a TON of research as > to where l

Re: [Starlink] The "reasons" that bufferbloat isn't a problem

2024-05-07 Thread Eugene Y Chang via Starlink
in.com/in/frantisekborsik> > Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714 > > iMessage, mobile: +420775230885 > > Skype: casioa5302ca > > frantisek.bor...@gmail.com <mailto:frantisek.bor...@gmail.com> > > On Tue, May 7, 2024 at 10:03 PM Eugene Y Chang via

Re: [Starlink] The "reasons" that bufferbloat isn't a problem

2024-05-08 Thread Eugene Y Chang via Starlink
u/courses/cse550/21au/papers/bufferbloat.pdf > <https://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse550/21au/papers/bufferbloat.pdf>[2] > > https://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/bloat/wiki/What_can_I_do_about_Bufferbloat/ > > <https://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/bloat/wiki/What_can

Re: [Starlink] [Bloat] fq_codel Day - it's twelve years old!

2024-05-14 Thread Eugene Y Chang via Starlink
Seems about right. How long do you think it will take high-band 5G to propagate across the planet? Gene -- Eugene Chang eugene.ch...@ieee.org o 781-799-0233 > On May 14, 2024, at 7:55 AM, Dave Taht via Starlink > wrote: > > I would never have i

Re: [Starlink] It's still the starlink latency...

2022-09-26 Thread Eugene Y Chang via Starlink
You already know this. Bufferbloat is a symptom and not the cause. Bufferbloat grows when there are (1) periods of low or no bandwidth or (2) periods of insufficient bandwidth (aka network congestion). If I understand this correctly, just a software update cannot make bufferbloat go away. It mi

Re: [Starlink] It's still the starlink latency...

2022-09-26 Thread Eugene Y Chang via Starlink
, this changes frequently and cake > integrated into the starlink dish/router software would be far better than > anything that can be done externally as the rate changes can be fed directly > into the settings (currently they are only indirectly detected) > > David Lang >

Re: [Starlink] It's still the starlink latency...

2022-09-26 Thread Eugene Y Chang via Starlink
Comments inline below. Gene -- Eugene Chang IEEE Senior Life Member eugene.ch...@ieee.org 781-799-0233 (in Honolulu) > On Sep 26, 2022, at 11:01 AM, Sebastian Moeller wrote: > > Hi Eugene, > > >> On Sep 26, 2022, at 22:5

Re: [Starlink] It's still the starlink latency...

2022-09-26 Thread Eugene Y Chang via Starlink
ulu) >> >> >> >>> On Sep 26, 2022, at 11:01 AM, Sebastian Moeller wrote: >>> >>> Hi Eugene, >>> >>> >>>> On Sep 26, 2022, at 22:54, Eugene Y Chang via Starlink >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Ok, w

Re: [Starlink] It's still the starlink latency...

2022-09-26 Thread Eugene Y Chang via Starlink
gene Y Chang wrote: >> >>>> On Sep 26, 2022, at 11:01 AM, Sebastian Moeller wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Eugene, >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Sep 26, 2022, at 22:54, Eugene Y Chang via Starlink >>>>> mailto:

Re: [Starlink] It's still the starlink latency...

2022-09-26 Thread Eugene Y Chang via Starlink
:44 AM, Bruce Perens wrote: > > That's a good maxim: Don't believe a speed test that is hosted by your own > ISP. > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 2:36 PM Eugene Y Chang via Starlink > mailto:starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>> > wrote: > Thank you for the d

Re: [Starlink] It's still the starlink latency...

2022-09-26 Thread Eugene Y Chang via Starlink
g/activities/workshops/network-quality/> ) there > seems to be an increasing amount of work on better metrics and tests > for QoE, with stuff like apple's responsiveness test, etc. > > I have a new one - prototyped in some starlink tests so far, and > elsewhere - called "SPO

Re: [Starlink] It's still the starlink latency...

2022-09-27 Thread Eugene Y Chang via Starlink
e Chang >> IEEE Senior Life Member >> eugene.ch...@ieee.org >> 781-799-0233 (in Honolulu) >> >> >> >>> On Sep 26, 2022, at 11:44 AM, Bruce Perens wrote: >>> >>> That's a good maxim: Don't believe a speed test that is ho

Re: [Starlink] It's still the starlink latency...

2022-09-27 Thread Eugene Y Chang via Starlink
gt;>>> On Sep 26, 2022, at 11:29 AM, Sebastian Moeller wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi David, >>>> >>>>> On Sep 26, 2022, at 23:22, David Lang wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, 26 Sep 2022, Eugene Y Chang wrote: >&g

Re: [Starlink] It's still the starlink latency...

2022-09-28 Thread Eugene Y Chang via Starlink
temptation must have been large to not set-up the >>> most objective spedtest. (We have a saying along the lines of "making a >>> goat your gardener" which generally is considered a sub-optimal approach). >>> >>> Regards >>> Sebastian &g

Re: [Starlink] Starlink "Best Effort" offering

2022-09-28 Thread Eugene Y Chang via Starlink
What is the definition and differences between regular and best effort service? Creating two bookings queue, wait list and best effort subscribers, the best effort subscribers are more “real”. With that, treating best effort subscribers as a (more) "real customer" backlog, it would be a good way

Re: [Starlink] Starlink "Best Effort" offering

2022-09-28 Thread Eugene Y Chang via Starlink
ellation overall, not in any one area. > > David Lang > > On Wed, 28 Sep 2022, Eugene Y Chang via Starlink wrote: > >> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 13:07:43 -1000 >> From: Eugene Y Chang via Starlink >> Reply-To: Eugene Y Chang >> To: Dotzero >> Cc:

Re: [Starlink] Starlink "Best Effort" offering

2022-09-29 Thread Eugene Y Chang via Starlink
t;> >> Gene >> -- >> Eugene Chang >> IEEE Senior Life Member >> eugene.ch...@ieee.org >> 781-799-0233 (in Honolulu) >> >> >> >>> On Sep 28, 2022, at 1:35 PM, David Lang wrote: >>>

Re: [Starlink] Starlink "Best Effort" offering

2022-09-29 Thread Eugene Y Chang via Starlink
-- Eugene Chang IEEE Senior Life Member eugene.ch...@ieee.org 781-799-0233 (in Honolulu) > On Sep 28, 2022, at 11:14 PM, David Lang wrote: > > On Thu, 29 Sep 2022, Sebastian Moeller wrote: > >>> On Sep 29, 2022, at 09:50, Eugene Y Chang via Starlink >