Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-20 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Tue, 2011-07-19 at 22:05 -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > On Mon, 2011-07-04 at 21:07 +0300, Yaniv Kaul wrote: > > On 07/04/2011 07:33 PM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > > On Mon, 2011-07-04 at 17:48 +0300, Yonit Halperin wrote: > > >> On 07/04/2011 05:21 PM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: >

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-19 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Mon, 2011-07-04 at 21:07 +0300, Yaniv Kaul wrote: > On 07/04/2011 07:33 PM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > On Mon, 2011-07-04 at 17:48 +0300, Yonit Halperin wrote: > >> On 07/04/2011 05:21 PM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > >>> Very helpful and interesting. I'll respond in-line - John > >>> >

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-11 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Mon, 2011-07-04 at 21:07 +0300, Yaniv Kaul wrote: > On 07/04/2011 07:33 PM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > On Mon, 2011-07-04 at 17:48 +0300, Yonit Halperin wrote: > >> On 07/04/2011 05:21 PM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > >>> Very helpful and interesting. I'll respond in-line - John > >>> > >

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-04 Thread Yaniv Kaul
On 07/04/2011 07:33 PM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: On Mon, 2011-07-04 at 17:48 +0300, Yonit Halperin wrote: On 07/04/2011 05:21 PM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: Very helpful and interesting. I'll respond in-line - John On Sun, 2011-07-03 at 10:38 +0300, Yaniv Kaul wrote: On 06/30/2011 10:10

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-04 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Mon, 2011-07-04 at 17:48 +0300, Yonit Halperin wrote: > On 07/04/2011 05:21 PM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > Very helpful and interesting. I'll respond in-line - John > > > > On Sun, 2011-07-03 at 10:38 +0300, Yaniv Kaul wrote: > >> On 06/30/2011 10:10 AM, Yaniv Kaul wrote: > >>> On 06/30/20

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-04 Thread Yonit Halperin
On 07/04/2011 05:21 PM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: Very helpful and interesting. I'll respond in-line - John On Sun, 2011-07-03 at 10:38 +0300, Yaniv Kaul wrote: On 06/30/2011 10:10 AM, Yaniv Kaul wrote: On 06/30/2011 05:33 AM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: On Wed, 2011-06-29 at 20:22 -0400,

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-04 Thread John A. Sullivan III
Very helpful and interesting. I'll respond in-line - John On Sun, 2011-07-03 at 10:38 +0300, Yaniv Kaul wrote: > On 06/30/2011 10:10 AM, Yaniv Kaul wrote: > > On 06/30/2011 05:33 AM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > >> On Wed, 2011-06-29 at 20:22 -0400, Andrew Cathrow wrote: > >>> > >>> - Origin

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-03 Thread Yaniv Kaul
On 06/30/2011 10:10 AM, Yaniv Kaul wrote: On 06/30/2011 05:33 AM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: On Wed, 2011-06-29 at 20:22 -0400, Andrew Cathrow wrote: - Original Message - Hello, all. I've been using both RDP via TSPlus and SPICE for over a week now and the practical world results at

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-02 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Sat, 2011-07-02 at 21:52 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: > On Sat, Jul 02, 2011 at 02:34:15PM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 17:05 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: > > > On Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 03:00:32PM +0200, Gianluca Cecchi wrote: > > > > On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 1:04 PM, John A.

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-02 Thread Alon Levy
On Sat, Jul 02, 2011 at 02:34:15PM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 17:05 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 03:00:32PM +0200, Gianluca Cecchi wrote: > > > On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 1:04 PM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > > > Interesting observation. That i

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-02 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 17:05 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: > On Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 03:00:32PM +0200, Gianluca Cecchi wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 1:04 PM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > > Interesting observation. That is true; we did not create separate VM > > > definitions for SPICE and TSPlus t

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-02 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Sat, 2011-07-02 at 09:30 -0400, Marian Krcmarik wrote: > > - Original Message - > > From: "Alon Levy" > > To: "John A. Sullivan III" > > Cc: spice-devel@lists.freedesktop.org > > Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2011 1:43:44 PM > > Subje

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-02 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Sat, 2011-07-02 at 13:43 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: > On Sat, Jul 02, 2011 at 07:24:59AM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > On Sat, 2011-07-02 at 12:27 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: > > > On Sat, Jul 02, 2011 at 05:45:34AM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > > > On Sat, 2011-07-02 at 04:56 +0200,

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-02 Thread Marian Krcmarik
- Original Message - > From: "Alon Levy" > To: "John A. Sullivan III" > Cc: spice-devel@lists.freedesktop.org > Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2011 1:43:44 PM > Subject: Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP > On Sat, Jul 02, 2011 at 07:24:

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-02 Thread Alon Levy
On Sat, Jul 02, 2011 at 07:24:59AM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > On Sat, 2011-07-02 at 12:27 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: > > On Sat, Jul 02, 2011 at 05:45:34AM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > > On Sat, 2011-07-02 at 04:56 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: > > > > On Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 09:40:41PM

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-02 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Sat, 2011-07-02 at 12:27 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: > On Sat, Jul 02, 2011 at 05:45:34AM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > On Sat, 2011-07-02 at 04:56 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: > > > On Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 09:40:41PM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > > > On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 17:05 +0200,

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-02 Thread Alon Levy
On Sat, Jul 02, 2011 at 05:45:34AM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > On Sat, 2011-07-02 at 04:56 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 09:40:41PM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > > On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 17:05 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: > > > > On Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 03:00:32PM

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-02 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Sat, 2011-07-02 at 04:56 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: > On Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 09:40:41PM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 17:05 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: > > > On Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 03:00:32PM +0200, Gianluca Cecchi wrote: > > > > On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 1:04 PM, John A.

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-01 Thread Alon Levy
On Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 09:40:41PM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 17:05 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 03:00:32PM +0200, Gianluca Cecchi wrote: > > > On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 1:04 PM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > > > Interesting observation. That i

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-01 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 17:05 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: > On Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 03:00:32PM +0200, Gianluca Cecchi wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 1:04 PM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > > Interesting observation. That is true; we did not create separate VM > > > definitions for SPICE and TSPlus t

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-01 Thread Alon Levy
On Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 09:18:14AM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 15:00 +0200, Gianluca Cecchi wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 1:04 PM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > > Interesting observation. That is true; we did not create separate VM > > > definitions for SPICE a

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-01 Thread Alon Levy
On Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 03:00:32PM +0200, Gianluca Cecchi wrote: > On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 1:04 PM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > Interesting observation. That is true; we did not create separate VM > > definitions for SPICE and TSPlus thus the TSPlus environment is using > > the QXL driver.  Wou

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-01 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 15:00 +0200, Gianluca Cecchi wrote: > On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 1:04 PM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > Interesting observation. That is true; we did not create separate VM > > definitions for SPICE and TSPlus thus the TSPlus environment is using > > the QXL driver. Would we e

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-01 Thread Gianluca Cecchi
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 1:04 PM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > Interesting observation. That is true; we did not create separate VM > definitions for SPICE and TSPlus thus the TSPlus environment is using > the QXL driver.  Would we expect that to have any "supercharging" effect > on RDP? > > Proba

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-01 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 12:48 +0200, Gianluca Cecchi wrote: > If I'm correct, you still have some "piece of spice" in your enhanced > RDP environment too. > Can you confirm that in your guest definition you maintain > > > > function='0x0'/> > > > even when you test via TSPLUS? >

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-01 Thread Gianluca Cecchi
If I'm correct, you still have some "piece of spice" in your enhanced RDP environment too. Can you confirm that in your guest definition you maintain even when you test via TSPLUS? So that in this moment your best experience is with an hybrid configuration: spice for hw video

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-01 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 11:37 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: > On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 02:42:55PM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > On Thu, 2011-06-30 at 20:21 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 02:01:48PM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > > > On Thu, 2011-06-30 at 10:10 +0300,

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-01 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 11:32 +0200, Gianluca Cecchi wrote: > On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 11:24 AM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > We are a managed service provider so we are prohibited from offering > > Windows 7. We are only allowed to license Windows Server 2008 under > > SPLA licensing hence the cho

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-01 Thread Alon Levy
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 02:42:55PM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > On Thu, 2011-06-30 at 20:21 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 02:01:48PM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > > On Thu, 2011-06-30 at 10:10 +0300, Yaniv Kaul wrote: > > > > On 06/30/2011 05:33 AM, John A. Su

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-01 Thread Gianluca Cecchi
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 11:24 AM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > We are a managed service provider so we are prohibited from offering > Windows 7.  We are only allowed to license Windows Server 2008 under > SPLA licensing hence the choice.  Although we do have one test Windows 7 > system. Ok. So I c

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-01 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 10:05 +0200, Gianluca Cecchi wrote: > On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 8:42 PM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > Sorry - the VM is Windows Server 2008, client is Debian Squeeze, host is > > Fedora 15 - John > > Actually you already wrote details about the guest in one of your > previo

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-01 Thread Gianluca Cecchi
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 8:42 PM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > Sorry - the VM is Windows Server 2008, client is Debian Squeeze, host is > Fedora 15 - John Actually you already wrote details about the guest in one of your previous e-mails. And in fact I have a question for that.. see below I would

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-06-30 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Thu, 2011-06-30 at 20:21 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: > On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 02:01:48PM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > On Thu, 2011-06-30 at 10:10 +0300, Yaniv Kaul wrote: > > > On 06/30/2011 05:33 AM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > > > On Wed, 2011-06-29 at 20:22 -0400, Andrew Cathrow wr

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-06-30 Thread Alon Levy
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 02:01:48PM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > On Thu, 2011-06-30 at 10:10 +0300, Yaniv Kaul wrote: > > On 06/30/2011 05:33 AM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > > On Wed, 2011-06-29 at 20:22 -0400, Andrew Cathrow wrote: > > >> > > >> - Original Message - > > >>> > >

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-06-30 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Thu, 2011-06-30 at 10:10 +0300, Yaniv Kaul wrote: > On 06/30/2011 05:33 AM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > On Wed, 2011-06-29 at 20:22 -0400, Andrew Cathrow wrote: > >> > >> - Original Message - > >>> > >>> Hello, all. I've been using both RDP via TSPlus and SPICE for over a > >>> week

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-06-30 Thread Yaniv Kaul
On 06/30/2011 05:33 AM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: On Wed, 2011-06-29 at 20:22 -0400, Andrew Cathrow wrote: - Original Message - Hello, all. I've been using both RDP via TSPlus and SPICE for over a week now and the practical world results at least in my mode of operation are becoming

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-06-29 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Wed, 2011-06-29 at 20:22 -0400, Andrew Cathrow wrote: > > > - Original Message - > > > > Hello, all. I've been using both RDP via TSPlus and SPICE for over a > > week now and the practical world results at least in my mode of > > operation are becoming clear. SPICE does handle major s

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-06-29 Thread Andrew Cathrow
- Original Message - > From: "John A. Sullivan III" > To: "Alon Levy" > Cc: spice-devel@lists.freedesktop.org > Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 6:14:16 PM > Subject: Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP > On Sat, 2011-06-25 at 11:40 -04

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-06-29 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Sat, 2011-06-25 at 11:40 -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > On Sat, 2011-06-25 at 15:34 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 09:36:26PM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > > Hello, all. Another question to be answered only if there is time. As > > > we put SPICE head to head

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-06-25 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Sat, 2011-06-25 at 15:34 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: > On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 09:36:26PM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > Hello, all. Another question to be answered only if there is time. As > > we put SPICE head to head with the TSPlus implementation of RDP, SPICE > > seems to be coming up

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-06-25 Thread Alon Levy
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 09:36:26PM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > Hello, all. Another question to be answered only if there is time. As > we put SPICE head to head with the TSPlus implementation of RDP, SPICE > seems to be coming up a bit short and I expect it is somewhat unfairly > so. It

[Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-06-24 Thread John A. Sullivan III
Hello, all. Another question to be answered only if there is time. As we put SPICE head to head with the TSPlus implementation of RDP, SPICE seems to be coming up a bit short and I expect it is somewhat unfairly so. It appears that RDP starts painting the screen sooner that SPICE does and so it a