Discussion topic (Re: SPI bylaws overhaul: new discussion draft)

2016-11-20 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Hi Jimmy, On 2016-11-16 13:03, Jimmy Kaplowitz wrote: On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 03:27:22AM +, Luca Filipozzi wrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 06:58:26PM -0800, Joshua D. Drake wrote: On 11/15/2016 06:27 PM, Luca Filipozzi wrote: On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 11:36:52AM -0500, Hilmar Lapp wrote: On

Re: SPI bylaws overhaul: new discussion draft

2016-11-16 Thread Josh berkus
On 11/16/2016 11:07 AM, Jimmy Kaplowitz wrote: > I think there's some missing context here that's causing us to talk past each > other. In July, Bdale proposed a replacement set of bylaws, as per this mail: > > http://lists.spi-inc.org/pipermail/spi-general/2016-July/003437.html Thank you, that w

Re: SPI bylaws overhaul: new discussion draft

2016-11-16 Thread Jimmy Kaplowitz
Hi Josh, I think there's some missing context here that's causing us to talk past each other. In July, Bdale proposed a replacement set of bylaws, as per this mail: http://lists.spi-inc.org/pipermail/spi-general/2016-July/003437.html His mail explained the reasons very well, and those reasons st

Re: SPI bylaws overhaul: new discussion draft

2016-11-16 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On 11/16/2016 10:38 AM, Josh berkus wrote: Jimmy, We've had the same bylaws for over a decade; I see no reason to rush into revising them. If there is some urgency, then please also let the membership know about that. This wasn't rushed. This discussion has been going on for years and when

Re: SPI bylaws overhaul: new discussion draft

2016-11-16 Thread Josh berkus
Jimmy, > These discussions are only worth having in the context of hoping to make > changes to the content of the bylaws. Accordingly, now that I've provided an > automatic diff alongside my textual summary and am aware of the issue for the > future, can we refocus this conversation on substantive

Re: SPI bylaws overhaul: new discussion draft

2016-11-16 Thread Jimmy Kaplowitz
On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 03:27:22AM +, Luca Filipozzi wrote: > On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 06:58:26PM -0800, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > On 11/15/2016 06:27 PM, Luca Filipozzi wrote: > > >On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 11:36:52AM -0500, Hilmar Lapp wrote: > > >>One thing I’d submit for consideration that co

Re: SPI bylaws overhaul: new discussion draft

2016-11-15 Thread Luca Filipozzi
On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 06:58:26PM -0800, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > On 11/15/2016 06:27 PM, Luca Filipozzi wrote: > >On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 11:36:52AM -0500, Hilmar Lapp wrote: > >>One thing I’d submit for consideration that could be learned from this and > >>change is to take the opportunity to pu

Re: SPI bylaws overhaul: new discussion draft

2016-11-15 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On 11/15/2016 06:27 PM, Luca Filipozzi wrote: On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 11:36:52AM -0500, Hilmar Lapp wrote: One thing I’d submit for consideration that could be learned from this and change is to take the opportunity to put the text into Markdown (or LaTeX) format and host it in version control.

Re: SPI bylaws overhaul: new discussion draft

2016-11-15 Thread Luca Filipozzi
On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 11:36:52AM -0500, Hilmar Lapp wrote: > One thing I’d submit for consideration that could be learned from this and > change is to take the opportunity to put the text into Markdown (or LaTeX) > format and host it in version control. Then the version control system does > the

Re: SPI bylaws overhaul: new discussion draft

2016-11-14 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Hello, Here is the draft ODT I had. I am believe this is from *after* the F2F. Sincerely, JD -- Command Prompt, Inc. http://the.postgres.company/ +1-503-667-4564 PostgreSQL Centered full stack support, consulting and development. Everyone appreciates yo

Re: SPI bylaws overhaul: new discussion draft

2016-11-13 Thread Hilmar Lapp
One thing I’d submit for consideration that could be learned from this and change is to take the opportunity to put the text into Markdown (or LaTeX) format and host it in version control. Then the version control system does the diff, and presenting them, for you without any additional effort.

Re: SPI bylaws overhaul: new discussion draft

2016-11-12 Thread Josh berkus
On 11/11/2016 09:44 AM, Jimmy Kaplowitz wrote: > Hi Hilmar, > > Completely reasonable request; unfortunately I don't have an easy way to do > that, since I didn't have Bdale's source document. I copied and pasted from > the > PDF into a fresh LibreOffice document, fixed most of the formatting iss

Re: SPI bylaws overhaul: new discussion draft

2016-11-11 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Jimmy Kaplowitz [2016-11-11 12:44]: > If Bdale happened to use LibreOffice or something compatible, I > could try to generate a diff after getting the source document from > him if LibreOffice has a way to do that. I have a LibreOffice version that I can send to you. -- Martin Michlmayr http:

Re: SPI bylaws overhaul: new discussion draft

2016-11-11 Thread Jimmy Kaplowitz
Hi Hilmar, Completely reasonable request; unfortunately I don't have an easy way to do that, since I didn't have Bdale's source document. I copied and pasted from the PDF into a fresh LibreOffice document, fixed most of the formatting issues manually, and proceeded from there. The lack of a diff i

Re: SPI bylaws overhaul: new discussion draft

2016-11-11 Thread Hilmar Lapp
Jimmy - is there a way to produce the PDF such that the changes are highlighted? Or is there another way to directly compare previous to proposed? -hilmar > On Nov 11, 2016, at 12:07 AM, Jimmy Kaplowitz wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > I've attached a PDF with a draft set of SPI bylaws to replac

SPI bylaws overhaul: new discussion draft

2016-11-11 Thread Jimmy Kaplowitz
Hi everyone, I've attached a PDF with a draft set of SPI bylaws to replace the current set, for your discussion and input. It's based on the draft which Bdale sent to spi-general earlier this year, with certain changes: 1) Tried to take into account the various feedback I remember from the prior