Re: [SAtalk] oddness with FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD

2003-01-16 Thread Vivek Khera
> "JM" == John Madden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> else, do it. But don't fake the SMTP sender. JM> Right - the SMTP sender wasn't faked. It was "blackboard JM> (blackboard.ivy.tec.in.us...)" -- no mention of hotmail.com. You're confusing the SMTP sender with the SMTP client. -

Re: [SAtalk] oddness with FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD

2003-01-16 Thread John Madden
> SA 2.43 triggers the FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD rule if there is a > hotmail.com From: address, but no Received: header corresponding to the > Hotmail format (like your case). > This has been changed in SA 2.50, which differentiates between a hotmail > address with forgerd hotmail received headers and h

Re: [SAtalk] oddness with FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD

2003-01-16 Thread Theo Van Dinter
On Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 10:39:38AM -0500, John Madden wrote: > I believe the logic is hosed there, then. There's nothing wrong with > announcing that your email address is @hotmail.com when sending through > another machine. Actually, my reading of the code was incorrect, sorry. The current vers

Re: [SAtalk] oddness with FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD

2003-01-16 Thread John Madden
> There's nothing wrong with that, except when you announce it as the SMTP > sender. That is, you're sending bounces there. This is a *very* common > spammer trick. The test is misnamed perhaps, but the test > itself is correct. If you want to set the From address to something > else, do it. B

Re: [SAtalk] oddness with FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD

2003-01-16 Thread John Madden
> Guess why the score for that rule was not set at 7.0 in the first place. > > Playing with the score of a single rule is a perilous excercise. The > scores are computed to work correctly *together*, not in isolation. I've found that some of the default rules don't work all that well. We get a l

Re: [SAtalk] oddness with FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD

2003-01-16 Thread Thomas Mechtersheimer
On Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 10:15:05AM -0500, John Madden wrote: > The full report contained within the rest of the message claims that SA is > looking in the Received headers for the forging, and call me crazy, but I > don't see any hotmail.com in the Received headers here. SA 2.43 triggers the FORGE

Re: [SAtalk] oddness with FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD

2003-01-16 Thread Bart Schaefer
On Thu, 16 Jan 2003, John Madden wrote: > > Exactly. The mail has a hotmail from address, but nothing in the > > Received headers says it came from hotmail, so it gets flagged. > > I believe the logic is hosed there, then. There's nothing wrong with > announcing that your email address is @hotm

Re: [SAtalk] oddness with FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD

2003-01-16 Thread Vivek Khera
> "JM" == John Madden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Exactly. The mail has a hotmail from address, but nothing in the >> Received headers says it came from hotmail, so it gets flagged. JM> I believe the logic is hosed there, then. There's nothing wrong with JM> announcing that your email ad

Re: [SAtalk] oddness with FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD

2003-01-16 Thread John Madden
>> The full report contained within the rest of the message claims that >> SA is looking in the Received headers for the forging, and call me >> crazy, but I don't see any hotmail.com in the Received headers here. >> The scenario here > > Exactly. The mail has a hotmail from address, but nothing i