RE: [SAtalk] Really OT: Microsoft buys out RAV

2003-06-11 Thread Simon Byrnand
At 11:29 10/06/03 -0700, Ben Johansen wrote: Ok, Not to start a flame war, but have 2 NT Servers Pentium 233 that have been running for years, 24/7. There was a stretch from 96 to mid 99 that they ran without being touched. In which case they would have been vulnerable to a load of security explo

RE: [SAtalk] Really OT: Microsoft buys out RAV

2003-06-11 Thread Ben Johansen
erver Reseller http://www.pcforge.com/AltN.htm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Thomas Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 10:33 AM To: Chris Barnes Cc: SpamAssassin Subject: Re: [SAtalk] Really OT: Microsoft buys out RAV On Wed, Jun 11, 20

Re: [SAtalk] Really OT: Microsoft buys out RAV

2003-06-11 Thread Steve Thomas
On Wed, Jun 11, 2003 at 10:42:56AM -0500, Chris Barnes is rumored to have said: > > So unless you didn't apply any security patches (gasp), I'm sure your 2 > NT servers were not continuously running from 96 to 99. > Speaking of not applying security patches, it seems that even the mighty Microso

Re: [SAtalk] Really OT: Microsoft buys out RAV

2003-06-11 Thread Chris Barnes
Ben Johansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ok, > > Not to start a flame war, but have 2 NT Servers Pentium 233 that have > been running for years, 24/7. There was a stretch from 96 to mid 99 > that they ran without being touched. > > I don't get this argument It's the definition of "uptime". In th

RE: [SAtalk] Really OT: Microsoft buys out RAV

2003-06-11 Thread Chris Santerre
nteresting. Perhaps they will use a *nix scrubber. That would be funny as hell. Chris > -Original Message- > From: Peter P. Benac [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 3:39 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [SAtalk] Really O

RE: [SAtalk] Really OT: Microsoft buys out RAV

2003-06-11 Thread Shayne Lebrun
10, 2003 5:25 PM > To: Shayne Lebrun > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [SAtalk] Really OT: Microsoft buys out RAV > > > On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 03:37:12PM -0400, Shayne Lebrun is > rumored to have said: > > > > > The *only* way to pull that off is to tota

RE: [SAtalk] Really OT: Microsoft buys out RAV

2003-06-11 Thread Ben Johansen
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Aaron Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 5:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [SAtalk] Really OT: Microsoft buys out RAV > They are more of an annoyance and can easily be thwarted with > a compotent admin that keeps up with his se

RE: [SAtalk] Really OT: Microsoft buys out RAV

2003-06-10 Thread Kenneth Porter
--On Tuesday, June 10, 2003 2:03 PM -0500 Jason Brunette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Guess RAV's slogan will change to "Worry less! MICROSOFT IS WATCHING". Too late, MSN and the butterfly claim that. --- This SF.net email is sponsored by:

RE: [SAtalk] Really OT: Microsoft buys out RAV

2003-06-10 Thread Kenneth Porter
--On Tuesday, June 10, 2003 12:47 PM -0700 Ben Johansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I use MS as the operating system only. All Other services are 3rd party > software That goes a long ways. Seems every time you install an update to an MS application, it touches something deep in the kernel and

RE: [SAtalk] Really OT: Microsoft buys out RAV

2003-06-10 Thread Aaron
> They are more of an annoyance and can easily be thwarted with > a compotent admin that keeps up with his security updates. > It's the inside jobs that are the kickers. Those are the > serious threat. It's all fun. :) I think that's the long and short of it right there. Any OS can be secur

Re: [SAtalk] Really OT: Microsoft buys out RAV

2003-06-10 Thread Justin Shore
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003, Steve Thomas wrote: > On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 03:37:12PM -0400, Shayne Lebrun is rumored to have said: > > > > > The *only* way to pull that off is to totally ignore security updates > > > (and the subsequent reboot). No thanks. :) > > > > Yes, and for an internal machine,

Re: [SAtalk] Really OT: Microsoft buys out RAV

2003-06-10 Thread Steve Thomas
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 03:37:12PM -0400, Shayne Lebrun is rumored to have said: > > > The *only* way to pull that off is to totally ignore security updates > > (and the subsequent reboot). No thanks. :) > > Yes, and for an internal machine, properly firewalled and segmented from the > public in

RE: [SAtalk] Really OT: Microsoft buys out RAV

2003-06-10 Thread Aaron
You'd be amazed at what you can install without rebooting. True, most MS software tries to reboot the machine for you because heck, that's just easier than doing it the right way. After installing something, if I really don't want to reboot, I just look in the reg at the pendingfilerename ops and

Re: [SAtalk] Really OT: Microsoft buys out RAV

2003-06-10 Thread Jonathan Nichols
Hey...maybe Microsoft should start selling SUVs. "Where will you go today?" will get the same answer: nowhere adventurous, and I'll probably get into an accident. Sounds like a typical day driving into the Silicon Valley these days.. ;)

RE: [SAtalk] Really OT: Microsoft buys out RAV

2003-06-10 Thread Ben Johansen
: Microsoft buys out RAV You are blessed -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Johansen Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 14:29 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [SAtalk] Really OT: Microsoft buys out RAV Ok, Not to start a flame war, but have 2

Re: [SAtalk] Really OT: Microsoft buys out RAV

2003-06-10 Thread Benjamin A. Shelton
> The only reason Microsoft OS' are perceived as being so insecure > (well, they do have their faults) are because of the large installed > base. When a vulnerability is found, because of all the machines > running it, the impact is felt more. I don't suppose anything like CodeRed comes to mind a

RE: [SAtalk] Really OT: Microsoft buys out RAV

2003-06-10 Thread Shayne Lebrun
L PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > Patrick Morris > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 3:21 PM > To: Aaron > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [SAtalk] Really OT: Microsoft buys out RAV > > > Aaron wrote: > > >>Not to start a flame war, but have 2 NT

RE: [SAtalk] Really OT: Microsoft buys out RAV

2003-06-10 Thread Joe Julian
Heh, didn't take David long... > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of David F. Skoll > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 12:28 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Mimedefang] Notice: Dropping support for RAV AntiVirus > > > Hi, > > Just

RE: [SAtalk] Really OT: Microsoft buys out RAV

2003-06-10 Thread Peter P. Benac
You are blessed -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Johansen Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 14:29 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [SAtalk] Really OT: Microsoft buys out RAV Ok, Not to start a flame war, but have 2 NT Servers

RE: [SAtalk] Really OT: Microsoft buys out RAV

2003-06-10 Thread Tom Meunier
-Original Message- From: Chris Barnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:53 AM To: SpamAssassin Subject: Re: [SAtalk] Really OT: Microsoft buys out RAV Jonathan Nichols <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2003/jun03/06-

Re: [SAtalk] Really OT: Microsoft buys out RAV

2003-06-10 Thread Patrick Morris
Aaron wrote: Not to start a flame war, but have 2 NT Servers Pentium 233 that have been running for years, 24/7. There was a stretch from 96 to mid 99 that they ran without being touched. I second that sentiment. I've had Win servers that ran and ran and ran for ages it seemed. The *only*

RE: [SAtalk] Really OT: Microsoft buys out RAV

2003-06-10 Thread Peter P. Benac
before Novell sold theirs. Regards, Pete -Original Message- From: David Chait [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 14:13 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Chris Barnes'; 'SpamAssassin' Subject: Re: [SAtalk] Really OT: Microsoft buys out RAV Based on what? Fr

RE: [SAtalk] Really OT: Microsoft buys out RAV

2003-06-10 Thread Alan Leghart
--On Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:59 AM -0700 Aaron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Not to start a flame war, but have 2 NT Servers Pentium 233 that have been running for years, 24/7. There was a stretch from 96 to mid 99 that they ran without being touched. I second that sentiment. I've had Win serve

Re: [SAtalk] Really OT: Microsoft buys out RAV

2003-06-10 Thread Steve Prior
Ben Johansen wrote: Ok, Not to start a flame war, but have 2 NT Servers Pentium 233 that have been running for years, 24/7. There was a stretch from 96 to mid 99 that they ran without being touched. I don't get this argument Ben Johansen - http://www.pcforge.com Microsoft itself opened up th

RE: [SAtalk] Really OT: Microsoft buys out RAV

2003-06-10 Thread Jason Brunette
(888) 489-9995 - Other areas, toll-free > -Original Message- > From: Jonathan Nichols [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:35 AM > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Subject: [SAtalk] Really OT: Microsoft buys out RAV > > > http:

RE: [SAtalk] Really OT: Microsoft buys out RAV

2003-06-10 Thread Aaron
> Not to start a flame war, but have 2 NT Servers Pentium 233 > that have been running for years, 24/7. There was a stretch > from 96 to mid 99 that they ran without being touched. I second that sentiment. I've had Win servers that ran and ran and ran for ages it seemed. > I don't get this ar

Re: [SAtalk] Really OT: Microsoft buys out RAV

2003-06-10 Thread Matthew Daubenspeck
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 12:25:20PM -0600, Benjamin A. Shelton wrote: > Not according to Novell. These are worth a read if you're curious. > > http://www.novell.com/news/press/archive/2003/05/pr03033.html > http://www.novell.com/news/press/archive/2003/06/pr03036.html Wow is this going OT like cr

RE: [SAtalk] Really OT: Microsoft buys out RAV

2003-06-10 Thread Ben Johansen
e.com/WitangoGoodies.htm Authorized MDaemon Mail Server Reseller http://www.pcforge.com/AltN.htm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Evan Platt Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [SAtalk] Really OT: Micr

Re: [SAtalk] Really OT: Microsoft buys out RAV

2003-06-10 Thread Benjamin A. Shelton
> Probably because Microsoft has joined forces with SCO over their issue with > Commercial Linux Users. From preliminary reports it seems SCO may actually > have a valid case. Not according to Novell. These are worth a read if you're curious. http://www.novell.com/news/press/archive/2003/05/pr03

RE: [SAtalk] Really OT: Microsoft buys out RAV

2003-06-10 Thread Evan Platt
--On Tuesday, June 10, 2003 10:03 AM -0700 Ben Johansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Linux is about to be assimilated, resistance is futile > > M$Linux But how do you rewrite all those BSOD's into a non-GUI format? Our data center is 100% *nix. (Except Co-Lo machines). Bragging rights were "T

Re: [SAtalk] Really OT: Microsoft buys out RAV

2003-06-10 Thread Benjamin A. Shelton
> Linux is about to be assimilated, resistance is futile > > M$Linux > > ;-) > Or perhaps they are planning on switching their e-mail gateways to a more reliable *nix solution and need the protection for their internal Win32 boxen :-) After all, read this part from the press release: > Customers

Re: [SAtalk] Really OT: Microsoft buys out RAV

2003-06-10 Thread David Chait
n'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:02 AM Subject: RE: [SAtalk] Really OT: Microsoft buys out RAV > > Probably because Microsoft has joined forces with SCO over their issue with > Commercial Linux Users. From preliminary reports it seems SCO may ac

RE: [SAtalk] Really OT: Microsoft buys out RAV

2003-06-10 Thread Peter P. Benac
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barnes Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 12:53 To: SpamAssassin Subject: Re: [SAtalk] Really OT: Microsoft buys out RAV Jonathan Nichols <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2003/jun03/06-10GeCadPR

RE: [SAtalk] Really OT: Microsoft buys out RAV

2003-06-10 Thread Ben Johansen
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barnes Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 9:53 AM To: SpamAssassin Subject: Re: [SAtalk] Really OT: Microsoft buys out RAV Jonathan Nichols <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2003/jun03/06-10GeCadPR.asp

Re: [SAtalk] Really OT: Microsoft buys out RAV

2003-06-10 Thread Chris Barnes
Jonathan Nichols <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2003/jun03/06-10GeCadPR.asp Why would Microsoft be interested in an antivirus program used primarily on Linux? I can't help but think that this is a bad, bad thing + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +

[SAtalk] Really OT: Microsoft buys out RAV

2003-06-10 Thread Jonathan Nichols
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