Re: [SAtalk] Question about BAYES tests

2003-06-09 Thread Chris Barnes
Simon Byrnand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Sadly, like most companies (not just ISP's) - their response was "if >> you pay for a higher level of service, you can turn off SA". > > And if that is the attitude of your ISP (putting SA on sitewide and > wanting you to pay extra for the privelledge of

Re: [SAtalk] Question about BAYES tests

2003-06-06 Thread Robert Menschel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Chris, Friday, June 6, 2003, 10:03:20 AM, you wrote: CB> The isp I use for my private email address has recently started using CB> SA. It seems to work 'ok', but it seems to still generate: CB> * far too many false negatives CB> * occation

Re: [SAtalk] Question about BAYES tests

2003-06-06 Thread Simon Byrnand
> Kai Schaetzl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Chris Barnes wrote on Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:03:20 -0500: >> >>> I am more concerned about the false positives. Looking at the >>> headers of those messages that are legit, it seems that the biggest >>> score comes from the BAYES test. >>> >>> Is there a pl

Re: [SAtalk] Question about BAYES tests

2003-06-06 Thread Chris Barnes
Kai Schaetzl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As far as I understand this is not how the Bayes engine works. It just > matches token by token, gets the chance for spam and finally counts > them all together. Yeah, I know. It was mentioned in an article I read about using Bayes for spam detection (as

RE: [SAtalk] Question about BAYES tests

2003-06-06 Thread Tom Meunier
tell my users, "so, uninstall that foofoo junk." -tom -Original Message- From: Chris Barnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 1:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SAtalk] Question about BAYES tests Incredimail also puts a "click here" (i

Re: [SAtalk] Question about BAYES tests

2003-06-06 Thread Chris Barnes
Kai Schaetzl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Chris Barnes wrote on Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:03:20 -0500: > >> I am more concerned about the false positives. Looking at the >> headers of those messages that are legit, it seems that the biggest >> score comes from the BAYES test. >> >> Is there a place that

Re: [SAtalk] Question about BAYES tests

2003-06-06 Thread Kai Schaetzl
Chris Barnes wrote on Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:03:20 -0500: > I am more concerned about the false positives. Looking at the headers > of those messages that are legit, it seems that the biggest score comes > from the BAYES test. > > Is there a place that talks about how that score is derived? I'm not

Re: [SAtalk] Question about BAYES tests

2003-06-06 Thread Matt Kettler
At 12:03 PM 6/6/2003 -0500, Chris Barnes wrote: I am more concerned about the false positives. Looking at the headers of those messages that are legit, it seems that the biggest score comes from the BAYES test. Is there a place that talks about how that score is derived? Bayes is a learning system

[SAtalk] Question about BAYES tests

2003-06-06 Thread Chris Barnes
(newbie to the group, so please forgive if this question is inappropriate) The isp I use for my private email address has recently started using SA. It seems to work 'ok', but it seems to still generate: * far too many false negatives * occational false positives I am more concerned about th