[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-13 Thread Alex North
I'm in. I'm definitely in favour of funding >1 startup though. It may be difficult to get 50 people to agree to pledge money against the same single startup. A. On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Cam MacRae wrote: > > Agree: better to create a pledge fund (for want of a better term) and > invest

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-12 Thread Kevin Littlejohn
I'm interested in this too, if it gets off the ground count me in. KJL --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Silicon Beach Australia mailing list. No lurkers! It is expected that you introduce yourself: http://groups.g

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-12 Thread Sriram Panyam
Actually in purely equite terms the instrument that forces Startups to focus only on the value (and building it) is common stock that aside, i think the value add from this is the joint expertise from all the members, but you are right... it would be great to have a more focussed panel who ca

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-12 Thread Samuel Bishop
Theres significant advantage for both in this regard... for one it effectively gives some possible startups whos ideas arent quite worth standalone business but that may be perfect for integrating into something or someone elses work. and two it gives those companies a valuable method for ga

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-12 Thread Shaon Diwakar
Whoops, sorry I just remembered Phil Sim already mentioned exactly what I had said in my last mail. Memory like a goldfish I tell ya! I think the real added value of a group investing like this are the additional skills that could be drawn upon from such a diverse crowd. Not to mention tha

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-12 Thread Shaon Diwakar
I don't know if this is something that everyone would be interested in... perhaps in trade for stock/equity other parties for example Pollenizer, hosting companies or others would be interested in _partnering_ with the winning teams? I just reckon there should be more value-add for the star

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-11 Thread Cam MacRae
Agree: better to create a pledge fund (for want of a better term) and fund on the individual basis of need. Also reduces investor exposure to a given startup. c. On Feb 12, 12:56 pm, Phil Sim wrote: > Yeh, it might be worthwhile for us to not limit it. We'll just say > we've got this much money

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-11 Thread Cam MacRae
Agree: better to create a pledge fund (for want of a better term) and invest on the basis of individual requirements than an arbitrary figure like $25k. This also limits exposure of any one investor to a given startup. c. On Feb 12, 12:56 pm, Phil Sim wrote: > Yeh, it might be worthwhile for us

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-11 Thread Phil Sim
I'll try and write something a little more formal tonight.. Riges what were the points made by Jordan re: ASIC? Phil Sim Chief Executive Officer, MediaConnect Australia Pty Ltd www.mediaconnect.com.au phi...@mediaconnect.com.au Ph: +61 2 9894 6277 Fax: +61 2 8246 6383 Mobile: 0413889940 On Th

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-11 Thread Julian Tol
Got it, thanks Rai. On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Rai wrote: > Heya Julian. > > The Confluence page is open to the public - ie viewable by anyone. > Do you mean that you need something written in a more 'formal' manner? > > Rai > > 2009/2/12 Julian Tol > >> Investor #8 here >> >> Is there so

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-11 Thread Rai
Heya Julian. The Confluence page is open to the public - ie viewable by anyone. Do you mean that you need something written in a more 'formal' manner? Rai 2009/2/12 Julian Tol > Investor #8 here > > Is there someone who can take the proposal and place it on a part of the > site viewable by non

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-11 Thread Riges Younan
Just had a chat to Jordan Green of http://www.aaai.net.au/ about this and he's going to take a look at it. He raised some interesting points about ASIC's view of this kind of structure but in any event these guys are now aware of it. Cheers, Riges On 12/02/09 2:31 PM, "casey" wrote: > > Ma

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-11 Thread glen
Consider my interest registered, too :) -glen. On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Nick Gonios wrote: > I'm in! > > Nick Gonios > COO > 3eep > > On 12/02/2009, at 2:46 PM, Tyrone Castillo > wrote: > > That's 12, I'll be number 13 :) > > So count me in for $500. > > Tyrone > > On 12/02/2009, at 2:4

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-11 Thread Nick Gonios
I'm in! Nick Gonios COO 3eep On 12/02/2009, at 2:46 PM, Tyrone Castillo wrote: > That's 12, I'll be number 13 :) > > So count me in for $500. > > Tyrone > > On 12/02/2009, at 2:44 PM, Sriram Panyam wrote: > >> Howdy Folks, >> >> I am in too. Great idea. >> >> cheers >> Sri >> >> On Thu,

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-11 Thread Julian Tol
Investor #8 here Is there someone who can take the proposal and place it on a part of the site viewable by non-SB members and non-users of Confluence? Account and login will of course be required for enrollment / expression of interest, but I see no reason why the program itself cant be widely di

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-11 Thread Tyrone Castillo
That's 12, I'll be number 13 :) So count me in for $500. Tyrone On 12/02/2009, at 2:44 PM, Sriram Panyam wrote: > Howdy Folks, > > I am in too. Great idea. > > cheers > Sri > > On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Phil Sim wrote: > > I think that makes ten. $5k raised in about an hour! > > I

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-11 Thread Sriram Panyam
Howdy Folks, I am in too. Great idea. cheers Sri On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Phil Sim wrote: > > I think that makes ten. $5k raised in about an hour! > > I would encourage anyone on the group who have contacts within the > angel/vc/investor community to pass this message on and encou

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-11 Thread casey
Make that $5500. I'm in On Feb 12, 2:22 pm, Phil Sim wrote: > I think that makes ten. $5k raised in about an hour! > > I would encourage anyone on the group who have contacts within the > angel/vc/investor community to pass this message on and encourage > involvement. Part of the attraction of t

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-11 Thread Phil Sim
I think that makes ten. $5k raised in about an hour! I would encourage anyone on the group who have contacts within the angel/vc/investor community to pass this message on and encourage involvement. Part of the attraction of this idea is that there are people within the 50 who might be potential

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-11 Thread gradconnection
> | grep "I'm in" :-p Great idea! mspecht wrote: I am just catching up on this thread & really like the idea, of course the devil is in the detail. Having said that I'm in. On Feb 12, 1:41 pm, Rai wrote: I've started a page in SB Confluence:http://confluence.siliconbeachaustra

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-11 Thread Riges Younan
Happy to help where I can. I'm in too. Riges On 12/02/09 1:57 PM, "mspecht" wrote: > > I am just catching up on this thread & really like the idea, of course > the devil is in the detail. Having said that I'm in. > > On Feb 12, 1:41 pm, Rai wrote: >> I've started a page in SB >> Confluence

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-11 Thread mspecht
I am just catching up on this thread & really like the idea, of course the devil is in the detail. Having said that I'm in. On Feb 12, 1:41 pm, Rai wrote: > I've started a page in SB > Confluence:http://confluence.siliconbeachaustralia.org/display/general/Silicon+B... > > I think it might be be

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-11 Thread Rai
I've started a page in SB Confluence: http://confluence.siliconbeachaustralia.org/display/general/Silicon+Beach+Startup+Syndicate I think it might be best for registrations of 'I'm in' to go in there. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-11 Thread Michael Harries
I like it - count me in also. Michael On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 1:04 PM, David Jones wrote: > I'm in. > > > > On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Phil Sim wrote: > >> >> Yeh, it might be worthwhile for us to not limit it. We'll just say >> we've got this much money to spend and will investing in u

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-11 Thread David Jones
I'm in. On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Phil Sim wrote: > > Yeh, it might be worthwhile for us to not limit it. We'll just say > we've got this much money to spend and will investing in up to 3 > startups. Startups could ask for how much they want and want equity > they were willing to give u

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-11 Thread Phil Sim
Yeh, it might be worthwhile for us to not limit it. We'll just say we've got this much money to spend and will investing in up to 3 startups. Startups could ask for how much they want and want equity they were willing to give up for that as part of the application process. On capping, I think its

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-11 Thread Shaon Diwakar
$25K is sizeable chunk... you could probably fund 2 - 3 start ups with that money (of course depending on the idea). Wouldn't it be risky to be putting all our eggs in the one basket? Quoting from ycombinator [1]: "We usually invest $5000 + $5000n, where n is the number of participating fou

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-11 Thread Rai
I'm in. 47 to go Elias :) So if we keep the number of investors under 50, does that mean that we can do a round of another 50 for a second start-up once this first round is 'settled'? Rai 2009/2/12 Elias Bizannes > Legal and finance can be taken care of by my old man and myself > respectively.

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-11 Thread Phil Sim
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Elias Bizannes wrote: > Legal and finance can be taken care of by my old man and myself > respectively. > I'll put $500 to be an investor and help you find another 48. > Three questions: > 1) What proportion of the equity do the investors put in and how much is >

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-11 Thread Elias Bizannes
Legal and finance can be taken care of by my old man and myself respectively. I'll put $500 to be an investor and help you find another 48. Three questions: 1) What proportion of the equity do the investors put in and how much is retained by the founders? 2) What will be the selection process? 3)

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-11 Thread Phil Sim
NEW PROPOSAL: Silicon Beach Startup Syndicate 50 shares @ $500 = $25,000 Invested in 1 startup We invite any startup to apply We have a meetup to let a shortlist present We select a startup We set up a mail group/blog/facebook group whatever to keep everyone in touch with progress and to provid

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-11 Thread David Jones
threatmetrix has whiteboards, bandwidth, space for 20 - we are in chatswood (15mins on train from CBD and 10mins from station) so not too central but in the absence of other offers its a potential venue. I'd need the agenda to be focussed and interesting for me to turn up and unlock the doors. On

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-11 Thread casey
Couldn't agree more. We should not be trying to recreate Silicon Valley in Australia- we should be trying to make something better. We're supposed to be innovators! Silicon Valley has been done. If you really want that culture, you can go there. Personally, the idea of building to flip makes me wa

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-11 Thread Elias Bizannes
Hi Deniss, I like your meetup idea but for different reasons - let me explain why. First of all, it all boils down to this: - entrepreneurs complain there is not enough capital - financiers complain there are not enough quality entrepreneurs - Owners complain there is not enough talent - Employee

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-11 Thread Samuel Bishop
I second this... Online connection for something like this would be very important... In addition, it would be best if it were at a time/ date when it was possible for people working 9-5 in Perth to not miss the entire thing due to being at work/behind firewalls. On 11/02/2009, at 8:05 PM,

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-11 Thread Pieter Peach
As long as you stream the session for those of us not in Sydney, otherwise keep those emails coming. Pieter On 11/02/2009, at 21:55, Deniss wrote: > > So we've got 80 something messages and already last Friday most of the > people couldn't keep up with the discussion. > Would it be possibl

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-11 Thread Deniss
So we've got 80 something messages and already last Friday most of the people couldn't keep up with the discussion. Would it be possible for everybody who had strong opinion about the topic to meet somewhere (maybe with the white board) and have a discussion about that? If somebody could lead the

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-06 Thread Warren Seen
I think the issue with unit trusts which I was not aware of when I mentioned them was there is a limit of 50 unitholders per trust? Also, there was the issue of ASIC rules around solicitation of investment that someone else raised? These would seem to be the only structural blockers to the setup

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-06 Thread Jonathan Williams
Phil, I like the racehorse analogy. Given that model, easiest structure is probably a unit trust per round, with a separate body (the actual incumbator group) acting as the administrator... With the right setup that's reasonably scalable. I think capping the shares is a good idea - you might inc

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-06 Thread Samuel Bishop
"nobody REALLY needs money in Australia to do a startup because you can go on the dole and just code until you've got something to show for it" Thats a very sweeping statement... One I find kinda offensive... To put it into perspective... Assuming I bail on my apartment, move back home where

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-05 Thread Phil Sim
Warren, yep I think just treating each round as a separate entity is absolutely the way to go! Simplicity rules. So I'm trying to keep the momentum on this going and evolve something as dead simple as possible, without it falling into a whole or differing opinions. 1. 500 shares at $500. People

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-05 Thread Warren Seen
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 4:46 PM, silky wrote: > > I personally don't see the point of creating yet another VC firm, > which is what you guys are talking about with the investment-based > approach ... I'm feeling the same, I think this discussion is drifting towards a miniature version of that mod

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-05 Thread Phil Sim
Silky, it's not a VC firm because VC firms don't invest seed money. The problem with running it how you're proposing with lots of networking events and so forth and incentivising people to become members based on benefits is that it becomes a business in itself - and those type of things don't run

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-05 Thread Geoff McQueen - Hiive Systems
-australia@googlegroups.com [mailto:silicon-beach-austra...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Williams Sent: Friday, 6 February 2009 4:45 PM To: silicon-beach-australia@googlegroups.com Subject: [SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia Really an investor is buying to this round

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-05 Thread silky
I personally don't see the point of creating yet another VC firm, which is what you guys are talking about with the investment-based approach ... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Silicon Beach Australia mailing list

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-05 Thread Jonathan Williams
t; >> "book value"... > >> > >> These problems have solutions, and I've got a few ideas, but I was > >> wondering if you had some comments to make about how this sort of thing > >> would go over time since you've certainly already put a lot

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-05 Thread Geoff McQueen - Hiive Systems
t;> >> -----Original Message- >> From: silicon-beach-australia@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:silicon-beach-austra...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Phil Sim >> Sent: Friday, 6 February 2009 3:21 PM >> To: silicon-beach-australia@googlegroups.com >> Subject: [S

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-05 Thread Phil Sim
ems have solutions, and I've got a few ideas, but I was >> wondering if you had some comments to make about how this sort of thing >> would go over time since you've certainly already put a lot of thought into >> it... >> >> Geoff >> >> -----Original Messa

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-05 Thread Jonathan Williams
agreement more conducive to the network stuff? > > > > *From:* silicon-beach-australia@googlegroups.com [mailto: > silicon-beach-austra...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Jonathan Williams > *Sent:* Friday, 6 February 2009 3:42 PM > > *To:* silicon-beach-australia@googlegroups.

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-05 Thread Geoff McQueen - Hiive Systems
om [mailto:silicon-beach-austra...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Williams Sent: Friday, 6 February 2009 3:42 PM To: silicon-beach-australia@googlegroups.com Subject: [SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia Makes it complex - by investing are you investing in any re

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-05 Thread Jonathan Williams
egroups.com [mailto: > silicon-beach-austra...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Phil Sim > Sent: Friday, 6 February 2009 3:21 PM > To: silicon-beach-australia@googlegroups.com > Subject: [SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia > > > I think anyone would agree tha

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-05 Thread Geoff McQueen - Hiive Systems
Behalf Of Phil Sim Sent: Friday, 6 February 2009 3:21 PM To: silicon-beach-australia@googlegroups.com Subject: [SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia I think anyone would agree that the benefit of being a part of a scheme like this, would be the advice and mentoring you wo

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-05 Thread dekrazee1
I'm behind this idea. It's really exciting tbh. You can have my money and (although I'm a relative n00b with these things) am happy to pitch in wherever needed. Rai --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Silicon Beach Au

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-05 Thread silky
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Phil Sim wrote: > > I think anyone would agree that the benefit of being a part of a > scheme like this, would be the advice and mentoring you would get from > some of the 500 'shareholders'' who all have an interest in helping > you to succeed. Suddenly, you've go

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-05 Thread Phil Sim
I think anyone would agree that the benefit of being a part of a scheme like this, would be the advice and mentoring you would get from some of the 500 'shareholders'' who all have an interest in helping you to succeed. Suddenly, you've got a crowd of people who you can go for advice, guidance, et

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-05 Thread Elias Bizannes
licon-beach-australia@googlegroups.com [mailto: > silicon-beach-austra...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Deniss > > Sent: Friday, 6 February 2009 11:24 AM > > To: Silicon Beach Australia > > Subject: [SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia > > > >

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-05 Thread Deniss
ruary 2009 11:24 AM > To: Silicon Beach Australia > Subject: [SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia > > what drinks are you talking about? > I know that everybody know what and where, but I'm unfortunately not > sure. > > D. > > On Feb 5, 11

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-05 Thread Geoff McQueen - Hiive Systems
nal Message- From: silicon-beach-australia@googlegroups.com [mailto:silicon-beach-austra...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Deniss Sent: Friday, 6 February 2009 11:24 AM To: Silicon Beach Australia Subject: [SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia what drinks are you talkin

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-05 Thread Deniss
what drinks are you talking about? I know that everybody know what and where, but I'm unfortunately not sure. D. On Feb 5, 11:12 pm, Jason Langenauer wrote: > I agree that it should be for-profit too - Not only for the reasons > Mick lists below, but because I will absolutely guarantee any not-

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-05 Thread Nick Ramage
Indeed Bart. Your post still makes for a very good reality check as I see much the same here in Adelaide. Yep, just do it. Start-ups will still always have to do the old juggling strategy of any ..yes..business. Needs innovation, businesses development, marketing, chasing the occasional Governme

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-05 Thread Deniss Sudak
On 5 Feb 2009, at 23:12, Jason Langenauer wrote: > > I agree that it should be for-profit too - Not only for the reasons > Mick lists below, but because I will absolutely guarantee any not-for- > profit association will degenerate into chaos and infighting should > they suddenly find they have $

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-05 Thread silky
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Bart Jellema wrote: > > Have been following this thread for a while. Mick and David, some > excellent input! Having been around the community for a while now I > keep hearing this argument over an over that what Australia need is > more access to funding. This is

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-05 Thread Bart Jellema
Have been following this thread for a while. Mick and David, some excellent input! Having been around the community for a while now I keep hearing this argument over an over that what Australia need is more access to funding. This is bugging me for a few reasons: - I feel that many use this as an

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-05 Thread silky
Mike, While EO is a fine legitimate operation; I was just highlighting it's existence and the fact that it's *different* to what I was proposing. I'm not suggesting an "investment club", as I hope can be seen. EO and any other organisations and the one I am proposing can live in harmony togeth

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-05 Thread Mike Nicholls
HI Guys I am an EO Allumni after being a member for 5 years, its definitely not free but it is some of the best money you will spend, I think the current rates are ~$3k pa. Its somewhat like finding the mothership full of other entrepreneurs. In the fee you get monthly high quality educational e

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-05 Thread Geoff McQueen - Hiive Systems
I was at a dinner last night (prior to a somewhat disappointing Top Gear Live) and spoke to a few traditional business types. I was surprised at the level of interest they had with startups. One guy in particular stated that he and some of his colleagues, had been thinking about investing in tec

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-05 Thread Tyrone Castillo
I've finally caught up with this thread and I am very excited with this idea. I was at a dinner last night (prior to a somewhat disappointing Top Gear Live) and spoke to a few traditional business types. I was surprised at the level of interest they had with startups. One guy in particular

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-05 Thread silky
Some similar organisations: MegaMobile - http://www.mega.org.au/ I think it's free, it offers a fully-mentored program to the members. But it's a nice effort to help projects, basically for free. EO - http://www.eonetwork.org/ I don't know much about it, but a few people I know are members, I

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-05 Thread silky
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 10:43 PM, Elias Bizannes wrote: > I like how you're thinking Silky, but it's more a practicality to get the > funds in the first place. It's not the board that are the problem, but the > members themselves. > Think of it this way: > > - for profit: you have a membership, an

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-05 Thread Samuel Bishop
This is the kind of thing i would love to get in on the ground floor of. the crowdsource/community aspect would solve what concerns me the most, covering this very wide country effectively. Ive spent most of my life in Perth, and it would be a little hard to bear the notion that if this kind

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-05 Thread mmp1
Elias' post about structure is also important for possibly other reasons. Need legal advice here. ASIC rules on raising capital may kick in - you are basically allowed to ask family and friends etc, but in Oz outside of that if you seek more than 20 people who are not sophisticated (thats define

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-05 Thread Jason Langenauer
I agree that it should be for-profit too - Not only for the reasons Mick lists below, but because I will absolutely guarantee any not-for- profit association will degenerate into chaos and infighting should they suddenly find they have $10m because they made an good early stage investment in an Au

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-05 Thread Jonathan Williams
I agree with the thread in general. David made some really good points about the YC / TS / SC models - they run on the prestige, high quality mentoring and pre-build networks they offer. The problem is that - if you forget about VCs - what are the startups getting by giving you x%? The real valu

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-05 Thread Mick Liubinskas
Great discussion. My very late and loopy thoughts. It should be for-profit. Micro-finance works because it is a loan not a donation. Seriously forget about VC's. If they knock on your door, great, but otherwise, just do what every you can to build your business. I guy I saw talk last night gave

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-05 Thread Elias Bizannes
I like how you're thinking Silky, but it's more a practicality to get the funds in the first place. It's not the board that are the problem, but the members themselves. Think of it this way: - for profit: you have a membership, and a board of directors making executive decisions on their behalf. A

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-05 Thread silky
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 9:28 PM, David Jones wrote: > I had come to the conclusion that a community driven y-combinator model was > the best in the context of this country and investor ecosystem, so to see > the conversation evolve to this is pretty exciting for me. So for fun I will > call this S

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-05 Thread David Jones
I had come to the conclusion that a community driven y-combinator model was the best in the context of this country and investor ecosystem, so to see the conversation evolve to this is pretty exciting for me. So for fun I will call this ScuBinator (a very poor pun on silicon beach and incubation).

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-05 Thread Nick HaC
Great email David, Appreciate your thoughts On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 9:28 PM, David Jones wrote: > I had come to the conclusion that a community driven y-combinator model was > the best in the context of this country and investor ecosystem, so to see > the conversation evolve to this is pretty exc

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-05 Thread silky
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 7:31 PM, Elias Bizannes wrote: > Yes policy is crucial. However, I can see something like that getting > extremely complicated. Community-driven decision making models are not easy > to design: I spent 50+ hours creating the DataPortability Project's model > with five super

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-05 Thread Warren Seen
Crowd-sourcing angel investment - I like this idea, it seems like a logical extension of microcredit sites like kiva.org that focus on loans in the developing world. I presume you would need to set it up like a proper VC fund in terms of operation? Does that sort of structure scale down to a fund

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-05 Thread Elias Bizannes
Yes policy is crucial. However, I can see something like that getting extremely complicated. Community-driven decision making models are not easy to design: I spent 50+ hours creating the DataPortability Project's model with five super-intelligent & wise men - and I was ready to kill someone by the

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-04 Thread silky
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Elias Bizannes wrote: > > If you had a yearly fee of just 500, you'd only need about 50 members > > to make it worth-while (give away 10k each 6 months). Adjust as the > > organisation grows; or adjust the fee, or potentially scale the fee to > > allow larger corps

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-04 Thread Elias Bizannes
> > If you had a yearly fee of just 500, you'd only need about 50 members > to make it worth-while (give away 10k each 6 months). Adjust as the > organisation grows; or adjust the fee, or potentially scale the fee to > allow larger corps to give more money. > I like it. The devil is always in the

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-04 Thread silky
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Phil Sim wrote: [snip] > Every person on this list should be making a pact to themselves that > if they do hit a paydirt, they will give back to the community by > putting some time and money into at least one local startup. Pretty good idea. I think a not-bad

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-04 Thread Phil Sim
No arguments, but where we need to focus is opening up the angel community. We need people who have been there, done that to have the opportunity to sift through the ideas and put a bit of mentoring and money behind them. The Australian VC industry should be doing its part to encourage this as we

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-04 Thread silky
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Nathan de Vries wrote: > > On 05/02/2009, at 11:51 AM, silky wrote: > > > I guess you're saying that the strategy sucks for people like > > > yourself > > > who are after investment > > > > I'm not after investment. > > Whether or not you're looking to take on vent

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-04 Thread Nathan de Vries
On 05/02/2009, at 11:51 AM, silky wrote: >> I guess you're saying that the strategy sucks for people like >> yourself >> who are after investment > > I'm not after investment. Whether or not you're looking to take on venture capital is irrelevant. What I meant is that you're more likely to be

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-04 Thread silky
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Nathan de Vries wrote: > > On 05/02/2009, at 11:23 AM, silky wrote: > > Exactly. Personally, if I tried something 10 times and failed 9, I > > wouldn't consider that a good method of operation. I would say "okay, > > something is wrong here, what do I need to chan

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-04 Thread Nathan de Vries
On 05/02/2009, at 11:23 AM, silky wrote: > Exactly. Personally, if I tried something 10 times and failed 9, I > wouldn't consider that a good method of operation. I would say "okay, > something is wrong here, what do I need to change ...". I guess you're saying that the strategy sucks for people

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-04 Thread silky
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Nathan de Vries wrote: [snip] > Half? Not even close. If VCs had half their investments "succeed", > then I guess your point on being less risk averse makes sense, but I > don't think that's reality. I've been told the number is closer to 90% > failure, 10% succ

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-04 Thread Nathan de Vries
On 05/02/2009, at 9:16 AM, silky wrote: > I mean, no offence to them, but they aren't really investing in > ventures. They're investing in proven businesses. They're looking for signs of a valuable investment. You can show signs of having a valuable investment very early in the game. You don'

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-04 Thread silky
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Mike Nicholls wrote: > Hi Silky, neither Mick nor myself are VCs, we have just worked with them and > know what they are like. Oh yes, I know, wasn't meaing to suggest you were. > Frankly the amount of crazy half arsed ideas that get presented with wild or > no

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-04 Thread Mike Nicholls
Hi Silky, neither Mick nor myself are VCs, we have just worked with them and know what they are like. Frankly the amount of crazy half arsed ideas that get presented with wild or non existent ideas on a business model is staggering. They look for a team who knows what to do, the credibility of th

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-04 Thread silky
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 11:37 PM, Mick Liubinskas wrote: > Mike's feedback is right. Unless you're a serious management team with > good traction (making a few thousand a month, or over 100,000 users > per month) then you can't talk to professional investors or VC's. Not to pick on you, but I fel

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-04 Thread Mick Liubinskas
Mike's feedback is right. Unless you're a serious management team with good traction (making a few thousand a month, or over 100,000 users per month) then you can't talk to professional investors or VC's. These investors only invest to expand an already good business. Having an idea or a prototype

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-03 Thread mmp1
Second the idea. On Feb 3, 5:29 pm, Phil Sim wrote: > Okay, here's a proposal... > > What we need is something akin to the TechCrunch50 event and Demopit. > I did the Demopit last year and it was an awesome experience and I > think its a fantastic model to borrow from. > > We have somewhere betw

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-03 Thread Samuel Bishop
The feeder type program raises an interesting point. Given the difficulty for some people to make trips across the country for events based in the east or the west specifically. A feeder mechanism is probably going to be essential to get the absolute best ideas together. I will blanket outri

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-03 Thread Tagmotion
This may be a naive suggestion. but an alternative route could be to approach Rachel Slattery who's in the business of running events like FundingConnect that put investors on a panel in front of entrepreneurs. She's no doubt considered or even run a Pitchfest-type thing in the past, where

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-03 Thread Samuel Bishop
Oh I've been doing since i started getting the ideas. Ive got proof of concept code snippets coming out of my ears now, having to implement a system just to keep track of them now. Client side code to prove so many little things, server side code to do a dozen more. Issue seems to be having

[SiliconBeach] Re: question about startup funding in Australia

2009-02-03 Thread Elias Bizannes
Samuel - I sat down with some of the Pollenizer boys to understand their business model and something I didn't realise that they did was help connect entrepreneurs with a team. Meaning they'll introduce you to the right investors, developers, and whatever else to push you up and spit out a genuine

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