faces remain clean and the build
> granular
> > enough to be reused and hope to work with you in the future.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> > > ---Original Message---
> > > From: Davanum Srinivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED
On 3 Feb 2006, at 16:47, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
On 2/3/06, James Strachan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
community inside a single project with one overall aim (Geronimo for
J2EE, ServiceMix for JBI, Jakarta Commons / WS Commons for utility
code etc) than to have lots of smaller projects.
Is Ser
On 4 Feb 2006, at 01:38, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:
I'm going to remove my original -1 from this thread and vote +1 for
it.
My apologies for helping to create this major ruckus. This type of
heated discussion does not help build communities and cross community
interactions that would benefit a
On 3 Feb 2006, at 23:14, David Jencks wrote:
I'm trying to sort out the issues here. As I understand Sybase
wants to donate the code and keep working on it in a community
larger than the Sybase developers working on it :-)
It seems to me that depending where the code comes into Apache
dif
I'm going to remove my original -1 from this thread and vote +1 for it.
My apologies for helping to create this major ruckus. This type of
heated discussion does not help build communities and cross community
interactions that would benefit all of us in many ways. That is
especially so because thi
enough to be reused and hope to work with you in the future.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> > > ---Original Message---
> > > From: Davanum Srinivas < [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
> > > Subject: Re: Let'
Cc'ing the incubator list since Dims is no longer on the Geronimo and
ServiceMix lists.
Regards,
Alan
On 2/3/2006 2:05 PM, Aaron Mulder wrote:
Holy crap! What a mess this thread is! I'm not used to being like
the cool voice of reason. :)
For my 2 cents, a JBI container without BPEL is a
Let's rewind!!! (Re: [VOTE] accept donation of a business
process engine into the ServiceMix project)
> Sent: 02 Feb '06 21:12
>
> Cory,
>
> Could you please get James' help and draft a complete proposal?
>
> Please see
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l
After some thought about this, I will give it a +1.
We're seeing a lot of overlap lately between the WS-* folks and the J2EE
folks. Like lots of projects lately, I don't think this code donation
fits strictly into one category. And to say that it strictly belongs one
place or another is a mist
On 3 Feb 2006, at 16:13, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
Incidentally its worth looking at other projects at Apache like Agila
and various projects on http://ws.apache.org like EWS, Mirae, Muse,
WSRF, TSIK etc which are kinda quiet, some near dormant. Making
projects too small and too granular can
Ken,
I apologize!!! it's just like hitting your head on a brick wall and
going around in circles.
James,
I hereby remove my -1 on the contrib to ServiceMix. Go ahead and do
anything you want, however you want, i don't care anymore. If Ken or
Noel or any other Geronimo or Incubator PMC member wants
On 3 Feb 2006, at 15:38, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
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James Strachan wrote:
To use an analogy from Geronimo. You can reuse the Transaction
Manager inside Geronimo by itself without anything else from
Geronimo. Everything developed within the Geron
Just what do you define the community as? ws-folks don't count? what
mentor says does not count? existing Agila folks don't count? Looks
like the definition of community is everyone who says yes to you and
everyone else is not part of the community?
Part of the incubation process is to to generate
On 3 Feb 2006, at 15:05, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
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Davanum Srinivas wrote:
Why can't you treat an orchestration engine like a component like the
way you treat Axis or XFire? Why does the code have to live within
ServiceMix? Lot of us want a BPEL engine, we
Then by all means go ahead with a proposal to the Geronimo PMC asking
to start a new incubation project for BPEL as you say that there is
enough people to work on it. Not a backdoor "patch" to ServiceMix.
BPEL can be used standalone and BPEL was not in scope of ServiceMix. A
BPEL JBI Component is n
I was speaking with my Geronimo PMC hat on thinking in general about
projects within the Geronimo PMC.
James
On 3 Feb 2006, at 14:26, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
James,
you can make those decisions when ServiceMix is a TLP of its own.
Right now it's not.
thanks,
dims
On 2/3/06, James Strachan
James,
you can make those decisions when ServiceMix is a TLP of its own.
Right now it's not.
thanks,
dims
On 2/3/06, James Strachan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 3 Feb 2006, at 13:23, James Strachan wrote:
> > On 3 Feb 2006, at 13:02, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> >> So, bottom line, Please draw u
On 3 Feb 2006, at 13:23, James Strachan wrote:
On 3 Feb 2006, at 13:02, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
So, bottom line, Please draw up a new proposal for a separate
project.
So here's the thing; no-one involved (the folks donating the code
and the committers on the ServiceMix project) want a new p
Why can't you treat an orchestration engine like a component like the
way you treat Axis or XFire? Why does the code have to live within
ServiceMix? Lot of us want a BPEL engine, we don't want a JBI
container. The code coming in does exactly that, it is a BPEL engine
and has no relation to JBI or J
On 3 Feb 2006, at 13:02, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
James,
There are 2 problems:
- As a Geronimo PMC member i feel a BPEL implemenation is out-of-scope
of what i voted for when i +1'ed incubation for ServiceMix.
The proposal for ServiceMix clearly says...
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ServiceM
James,
There are 2 problems:
- As a Geronimo PMC member i feel a BPEL implemenation is out-of-scope
of what i voted for when i +1'ed incubation for ServiceMix. I don't
like what's happening and the way you are doing it.
- Secondly, there just isnt enough information to make a decision one
way or a
On 3 Feb 2006, at 11:33, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
James Strachan wrote:
On 3 Feb 2006, at 09:18, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:
Absolutely -1: The first time I ever saw any of this topic was
Wed, 1 Feb 2006 12:20:32 -0700 (Thu, 01:20 LKT)
and now at
Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:22:28 + (22:22 LKT
Hi James,
> We're not sucking in another project. Its a contribution of code
> only. How is this any different than has already happened on
> Geronimo, Agila (twister), Harmony etc?
Geronimo is not an incubating project and hence can bring more stuff in.
The Agila/Twister merger was done thru
On 3 Feb 2006, at 09:18, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:
Absolutely -1: The first time I ever saw any of this topic was
Wed, 1 Feb 2006 12:20:32 -0700 (Thu, 01:20 LKT)
and now at
Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:22:28 + (22:22 LKT)
you want to have a vote on it? You've GOT to be kidding.
I called a vote to
Absolutely -1: The first time I ever saw any of this topic was
Wed, 1 Feb 2006 12:20:32 -0700 (Thu, 01:20 LKT)
and now at
Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:22:28 + (22:22 LKT)
you want to have a vote on it? You've GOT to be kidding.
Also, how is it that a project under incubation can start sucking in
more
If I understand correctly, this will be a code donation like
http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/geronimo-762-ibm-console.html.
Regards,
Alan
On 2/2/2006 1:12 PM, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
Cory,
Could you please get James' help and draft a complete proposal?
Please see
http://www.goog
Cory,
Could you please get James' help and draft a complete proposal?
Please see
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=incubator+proposal+site%3Awiki.apache.org&btnG=Search
for a list of proposals, their format and their content.
Once the proposal is ready, please post it to [EMAIL
James,
With my Geronimo PMC member hat on. i've already cast my VOTE
(http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=geronimo-dev&m=113889773909505&w=2).
Now that i have your attention :) and i have a bit more information
that i did not have before, but i still think a standalone BPEL
vibrant project is a neces
On 2 Feb 2006, at 18:36, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
Folks,
There is no proposal, there is just a zip, unless someone is a
clairvoyant, we can't figure out things like.
We were first voting to see if the servicemix community and geronimo
PMC were willing to accept the donation. Given it fits nic
On 2 Feb 2006, at 18:27, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
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Greg Wilkins wrote:
+1
I disagree that all contributions must go via the incubator. This is
clearly within the scope of servicemix and there is no need to
develope a community around this code
Folks,
There is no proposal, there is just a zip, unless someone is a
clairvoyant, we can't figure out things like. *PLEASE* CC
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Which specific version of the spec is implemented?
- Where are the list of known issues?
- Where is the TODO list?
- Why is Axis version 1.2 RC1 (and
+1
Guillaume
James Strachan wrote:
We have received the generous donation of a complete and working BPE
engine to the ServiceMix project...
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/geronimo-servicemix-dev/
200602.mbox/%
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
the contributor has offered to donate to Apache & c
+1
Regards,
Alan
On 2/2/2006 8:22 AM, James Strachan wrote:
We have received the generous donation of a complete and working BPE
engine to the ServiceMix project...
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/geronimo-servicemix-dev/
200602.mbox/%
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
the contributor has offe
+1
Rob Davies
On 2 Feb 2006, at 16:22, James Strachan wrote:
We have received the generous donation of a complete and working
BPE engine to the ServiceMix project...
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/geronimo-servicemix-dev/
200602.mbox/%
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
the contributor has offer
[X] +1 accept the donation into the ServiceMix incubator project
This is a fantastic opportunity for us to get a tightly integrated
process engine!
Regards,
Hiram
On Feb 2, 2006, at 8:22 AM, James Strachan wrote:
We have received the generous donation of a complete and working
BPE engine
[-1] I would like the donors to work with incubator directly, write a
complete proposal, show up with people who will continue working on
the project and follow the incubator process for setting up a new
project.
thanks,
dims
On 2/2/06, James Strachan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We have received
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