James, There are 2 problems: - As a Geronimo PMC member i feel a BPEL implemenation is out-of-scope of what i voted for when i +1'ed incubation for ServiceMix. I don't like what's happening and the way you are doing it. - Secondly, there just isnt enough information to make a decision one way or another. A proposal would clear up things like what the "supposed" community thinks about a road map for the future say "BPEL 2.0"
So, bottom line, Please draw up a new proposal for a separate project. Yes, of course ServiceMix can embed it and use it just like it does XFire or Axis or XBean. No one is saying you can't distribute a BPEL enabled ServiceMix. It deserves good attention and TLC, which Agila is not getting, So a fresh start would enable more people to converge and work on. So please *STOP* the vote and work on a proposal and post it. thanks, dims On 2/3/06, James Strachan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 3 Feb 2006, at 11:33, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: > > James Strachan wrote: > >> On 3 Feb 2006, at 09:18, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote: > >> > >>> Absolutely -1: The first time I ever saw any of this topic was > >>> Wed, 1 Feb 2006 12:20:32 -0700 (Thu, 01:20 LKT) > >>> and now at > >>> Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:22:28 +0000 (22:22 LKT) > >>> you want to have a vote on it? You've GOT to be kidding. > >> > >> I called a vote to see what people thought about it, particularly the > >> project sponsor, the geronimo PMC. > > > > You don't vote to get opinions or discussion. The actual > > text being voted on was: > > > > "accept the donation into the ServiceMix incubator project" > > The contributors want to donate their code to the ServiceMix > community and all indications are that the ServiceMix community want > to accept the code and want to work with the contributors; so I > thought it was right to seek approval for this course of action from > the sponsor PMC. Bear in mind we are still in the incubator anyway so > there is plenty of time for folks to review the code, watch the > community in action, get involved and participate before attempts are > made to leave the incubator. > > > >>> The idea of incubation is that the project is still not > >>> a part of Apache and hasn't quite become a meritocracy etc.. > >> > >> I understand that, which is why we are asking for the sponsor, the > >> Geronimo PMC to vote. > > > > That's very convoluted to my mind, although it *is* currently > > early in the morning here. > > :) > > > A package gets accepted as a podling, > > and then later the sponsor, a group external to the podling, > > decides to add more to it? > > Well no-one has decided yet, that's why we're voting ;) - but the > point of the vote was to ask the sponsor PMC to allow the podling to > be able to accept a code donation as well as canvassing the > ServiceMix community to see if they'd like to accept it. (Maybe this > caused some confusion having just 1 vote?) > > > > Admittedly the podling itself isn't > > allowed to make the decision, but that's still an odd scenario. > > Regardless of whether it has happened before, it's clearly > > an exception rather than the rule, and therefore subject to > > scrutiny. > > OK. But I thought it was fine for issues to come up in votes, for > them to be debated & addressed and then later for action to be taken? > Its certainly been my impression of how things tend to work on all > the apache projects i've been on - apologies if I'm mistaken. > > > >>> The way this particular potential donation has been handled proves > >>> without a shadow of a doubt that this project (ServiceMix) is not > >>> running The Apache Way. > >> I don't see how the project is not following the Apache Way. I find > >> this comment particularly puzzling as you voted yourself in to be a > >> mentor of the ServiceMix project. > > > > And I find it particularly troubling that a mentor of the > > podling in question is so strongly opposed to this tack. > > My objection was more to that sentence - of labelling the ServiceMix > project as not following the Apache Way when the main issue in > Sanjiva's mail to me seems to be my handling of the vote. i.e. I'd > much rather people say "bad James, you're not acting in an Apache > Way" or "you really messed up that vote" than to make, what feels at > least, a little derogatory comment about the entire ServiceMix > community as a whole which has been working very hard to follow the > incubation process and the Apache Way. > > > > If Sanjiva, a mentor of ServiceMix and therefore supposedly > > closer to it than most.. if *he* thinks there's something > > awkward about the way this is being handled, then I think > > attention should be paid to him. > > Absolutely; we're all paying attention to everyone's comment on this > issue. > > James > ------- > http://radio.weblogs.com/0112098/ > > -- Davanum Srinivas : http://wso2.com/blogs/
