Re: ActiveMQ and ServiceMix reports

2006-03-16 Thread Dain Sundstrom
On Mar 15, 2006, at 7:04 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Hiram Chirino wrote: If the ActiveMQ / ServiceMix community do decide to go under some other TLP, I'm sure it would not take long for the active participants of the community to asked to Join the TLP's PMC. I would certainly hope that the

Re: ActiveMQ and ServiceMix reports

2006-03-16 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [restoring the CC list since this definitely applies to the people on those lists] Davanum Srinivas wrote: > I don't think there is such a restriction. Where did you come across > that? in other words, who said that? > > "we are apparently not allowe

Re: ActiveMQ and ServiceMix reports

2006-03-16 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alan D. Cabrera wrote: > > Do these really have to be "Apache" credits accumulated? How do the people at Apache get to see it otherwise? I've pointed out what I think may be a problem. Having done so, I'm content to have the legacy commit inheritan

Re: ActiveMQ and ServiceMix reports

2006-03-16 Thread James Strachan
On 3/16/06, Rodent of Unusual Size <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Davanum Srinivas wrote: > > I don't think there is such a restriction. Where did you come across > > that? in other words, who said that? > > > > "we are apparently not allowed to use the incubati

Re: ActiveMQ and ServiceMix reports

2006-03-16 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 James Strachan wrote: > > Note that we are apparently not allowed to use the incubating ActiveMQ > inside Geronimo until it leaves incubation > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/geronimo-servicemix-dev/200602.mbox/browser Due to the way mod_mbo

Re: ActiveMQ and ServiceMix reports

2006-03-16 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jochen Wiedmann wrote: > > I have another question: If that guy finds some time for working on > the project again and asks for Karma: Do you indeed believe the > project wouldn't be ready to vote him in as a committer? But turn it around as well. C

Re: ActiveMQ and ServiceMix reports

2006-03-16 Thread James Strachan
On 3/16/06, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hiram Chirino wrote: > > > I believe that merging ActiveMQ and Servicemix into Geronimo > > community and PMC is easier than most cases since there are > > all ready several active ActiveMQ/ServiceMix commiters thar > > are Geronimo PMC mem

Re: ActiveMQ and ServiceMix reports

2006-03-16 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On 3/16/06, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm convinced - this definitely seems like a very good reason to have > inactive committers following an incubated project through to either > TLP stage, or into another TLP, but not being on the PMC. I'd be less > convinced on a project that w

Re: ActiveMQ and ServiceMix reports

2006-03-16 Thread Garrett Rooney
On 3/15/06, Alan D. Cabrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Do these really have to be "Apache" credits accumulated? Let's do a > hypothetical situation. Let's say that some guy puts in a few years of > his life into a CodeHaus project. Then, he has a kid. At that time the > project moves to ASF

Re: ActiveMQ and ServiceMix reports

2006-03-16 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
On 3/15/06, Alan D. Cabrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Do these really have to be "Apache" credits accumulated? Let's do a > hypothetical situation. Let's say that some guy puts in a few years of > his life into a CodeHaus project. Then, he has a kid. At that time the > project moves to ASF

Re: ActiveMQ and ServiceMix reports

2006-03-16 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Henri Yandell wrote: > > Interesting reply - I'd been assuming that when an incubatee graduates > into an existing project, it's PPMC automatically get added to the > PMC. So I was a bit confused as to why Noel was even asking the > question. Case-by

Re: ActiveMQ and ServiceMix reports

2006-03-16 Thread John Sisson
Garrett Rooney wrote: On 3/15/06, Alan D. Cabrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Do these really have to be "Apache" credits accumulated? Let's do a hypothetical situation. Let's say that some guy puts in a few years of his life into a CodeHaus project. Then, he has a kid. At that time the p

Re: ActiveMQ and ServiceMix reports

2006-03-16 Thread Henri Yandell
On 3/15/06, Alan D. Cabrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Henri Yandell wrote: > > > >> Interesting reply - I'd been assuming that when an incubatee graduates > >> into an existing project, it's PPMC automati

Re: ActiveMQ and ServiceMix reports

2006-03-15 Thread Alan D. Cabrera
Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Henri Yandell wrote: Interesting reply - I'd been assuming that when an incubatee graduates into an existing project, it's PPMC automatically get added to the PMC. So I was a bit confused as to why Noel was even aski

Re: ActiveMQ and ServiceMix reports

2006-03-15 Thread Henri Yandell
Modifying the workflow slightly from my shoe-in assumption: 1) Remove all committers who have not contributed to the project while it was under Incubation.If they were new committers, remove their Apache accounts etc (well, freeze them - whatever). 2) Graduate into target, with PPMC members becomi

Re: ActiveMQ and ServiceMix reports

2006-03-15 Thread Hiram Chirino
I'll re-iterate what I said: When the ServiceMix and ActiveMQ Apache committer list was created, it included all previous committers to the project. But 100% of committers may not have been active during the period of the incubation. All though the projects trusted those individuals enough in th

RE: ActiveMQ and ServiceMix reports

2006-03-15 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Hiram Chirino wrote: > If the ActiveMQ / ServiceMix community do decide to go under some > other TLP, I'm sure it would not take long for the active > participants of the community to asked to Join the TLP's PMC. I would certainly hope that they would want to be, yes. Hence ... > I believe tha

RE: ActiveMQ and ServiceMix reports

2006-03-15 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Ken wrote: > Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > Considering that both ActiveMQ and ServiceMix really ought to be > > targeting TLP status, learning to do this is important. > That's a bit much, Noel. Where they end up is primarily > their own concern -- and not determined until graduation > anyway. Sorr

Re: ActiveMQ and ServiceMix reports

2006-03-15 Thread Hiram Chirino
Hi Henri, I think a good example of why not just a shoe in is because when the ServiceMix and ActiveMQ apache commiter list was created, it included all previous commiters to the project. But 100% of committers may not have been active during the period of the incubation. All though the projects

Re: ActiveMQ and ServiceMix reports

2006-03-15 Thread Henri Yandell
On 3/15/06, Hiram Chirino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Noel, > > If the ActiveMQ / ServiceMix community do decide to go under some > other TLP, I'm sure it would not take long for the active > participants of the community to asked to Join the TLP's PMC. It > would behoove that PMC to include

Re: ActiveMQ and ServiceMix reports

2006-03-15 Thread Hiram Chirino
Hi Noel, If the ActiveMQ / ServiceMix community do decide to go under some other TLP, I'm sure it would not take long for the active participants of the community to asked to Join the TLP's PMC. It would behoove that PMC to include such active community participants in the decision making procce

Re: ActiveMQ and ServiceMix reports

2006-03-15 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > Considering that both ActiveMQ and ServiceMix really ought to be > targeting TLP status, learning to do this is important. That's a bit much, Noel. Where they end up is primarily their own concern -- and not determined unt