> Does anyone disagree with it, or have something to add?
I agree
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> > My understanding is that the university decides to use a certain
> > service
On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 12:08:04AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote:
>
> > Then, for libre-sapienza (Savannah task #15792), the university
> > and its students form a single entity:
>
> That conclusion surprises me. It isn't impossible, but it would
> require very special circumstances. We sho
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> The analogy doesn't hold: the server part of Google Maps
> is deployed by its d
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> Then, for libre-sapienza (Savannah task #15792), the university
> and its stude
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> fine if we had a free client. An example like yours could give someone
> the id
> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 at 5:13 PM
> From: "Ineiev"
> To: "Christopher Dimech"
> Cc: savannah-hackers@gnu.org, "Andrea G. Monaco"
> Subject: Re: Dependence on nonfree software
>
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 02:02:17PM +0100, Christo
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> > The package must not refer the user to an
On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 02:02:17PM +0100, Christopher Dimech wrote:
> >
> > A university and its students maybe make a kind of community, but
> > definitely not a single entity.
>
> Not necessarily. There are many students and members of staff who do
> not identify themselves with the university.
> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 at 1:55 PM
> From: "Andrea G. Monaco"
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> Subject: Re: Dependence on nonfree software
>
>
>>Then, for libre-sapienza (Savannah task #15792), the university
>>and its students
>Then, for libre-sapienza (Savannah task #15792), the university
>and its students form a single entity: the administration
>of the university provides the students with some information
>for internal needs of the university.
>
> Are the students, or the univers
>Then, for libre-sapienza (Savannah task #15792), the university
>and its students form a single entity: the administration
>of the university provides the students with some information
>for internal needs of the university.
>
> Are the students, or the universit
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>> Suppose you write a free program that can run in a free GNU/Linux
>> distro and talks with Google Maps. With it, people can use Google
Maps
>> and not run any nonfree JS
On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 05:03:05AM -0500, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote:
...
>> Suppose you write a free program that can run in a free GNU/Linux
>> distro and talks with Google Maps. With it, people can use Google Maps
>> and not run any nonfree JS code. Use of this free program depends on
> > The package must not refer the user to any nonfree software; in
> > other words, it must not say anything that in our judgment is likely
> > to lead or steer users towards running or installing nonfree
> > software on their machine.
>
> That is a good formulat
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> > The package must not refer the user to any nonfree software; in
> > other words, it must not say anything that in our judgment is likely
> > to lead or steer users towards running or installing nonfree
> > softwar
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> > > For software intended to run on servers, the Gnu Affero GPL must be a
requ
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> The package must not refer the user to any nonfree software; in
> other wor
> The package must not refer the user to any nonfree software; in
> other words, it must not say anything that in our judgment is likely
> to lead or steer users towards running or installing nonfree
> software on their machine. E.g., communicating with network
> services
0 at 3:01 PM
> From: "Ian Kelling"
> To: "Alfred M. Szmidt"
> Cc: savannah-hackers@gnu.org, r...@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: Dependence on nonfree software
>
>
> Alfred M. Szmidt writes:
>
> > > From reading the requirements, I think it is already
Alfred M. Szmidt writes:
> > From reading the requirements, I think it is already clear that
> > requirement is for software running on your machine, is it not?
>
>It is not explicit about this. Some seem to have interpreted "not
>refer the user to any nonfree software" as fo
> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 6:23 AM
> From: "Richard Stallman"
> To: "Christopher Dimech"
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> Subject: Re: Dependence on nonfree software
>
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> From reading the requirements, I think it is already clear that
> requirement is for software running on your machine, is it not?
It is not explicit about this. Some seem to have interpreted "not
refer the user to any nonfree software" as forbidding use with an
online service
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> For software intended to run on servers, the Gnu Affero GPL must be a
requiremen
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> From reading the requirements, I think it is already clear that
> requirement i
Svetlana Tkachenko writes:
> For example, free software client to Google Docs (imagine for a moment they
> have an API) may be submitted to GNU Savannah. Would it become approved as
> free software at GNU Savannah? To my knowledge, Google Docs clearly is
> classified as "Service as Software
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 at 11:53 PM
> From: "Andrea G. Monaco"
> To: savannah-hackers@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: Dependence on nonfree software
>
>
> > For example, free software client to Google Docs (imagine for a moment they
> > have an API)
> For example, free software client to Google Docs (imagine for a moment they
> have an API) may be submitted to GNU Savannah. Would it become approved as
> free
> software at GNU Savannah? To my knowledge, Google Docs clearly is classified
> as
> "Service as Software Substitute".
Th
For example, free software client to Google Docs (imagine for a moment they
have an API) may be submitted to GNU Savannah. Would it become approved as free
software at GNU Savannah? To my knowledge, Google Docs clearly is classified as
"Service as Software Substitute".
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> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 at 6:13 PM
> From: "Alfred M. Szmidt"
> To: r...@gnu.org
> Cc: savannah-hackers@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: Dependence on nonfree softw
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 at 5:53 PM
> From: "Alfred M. Szmidt"
> To: "Christopher Dimech"
> Cc: svetl...@members.fsf.org, savannah-hackers@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: Dependence on nonfree software
>
>> How is that different from a latest ver
So I think the Savannah hosting rules need to be modified
to say that the criterion is about nonfree software to be run
on the user's own computers, and that it does not apply to
communication with services run by other people or entities.
Would someone like to work on a draft of th
> How is that different from a latest version that is not documented,
> and free software? After all, you don't need to provide the source
> code for the free software server program.
Use the Gnu Affero GPL and the free software server program must be
provided for users of the serv
ent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 at 5:35 PM
> From: "Alfred M. Szmidt"
> To: "Svetlana Tkachenko"
> Cc: savannah-hackers@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: Dependence on nonfree software
>
>
>Hi Alfred
>
>Right. Replace "ecosystem" with 'More
Hi Alfred
Right. Replace "ecosystem" with 'More and more of the software hosted at
GNU Savannah'.
It seems bad enough to me, in cases when the server's latest version is
documented by nobody and is proprietary. Then it is only its older revisions
that were successfully rever
Hi Alfred
Right. Replace "ecosystem" with 'More and more of the software hosted at
GNU Savannah'.
It seems bad enough to me, in cases when the server's latest version is
documented by nobody and is proprietary. Then it is only its older revisions
that were successfully reverse engineered and "d
> "A different case is when the program talks across a network with
> a server running on another machine, and the server is proprietary or
> has an unknown license; unless the two pieces of software make a
> single program (for example because they exchange complex data
> structur
day, November 16, 2020 at 10:58 PM
> From: "Svetlana Tkachenko"
> To: savannah-hackers@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: Dependence on nonfree software
>
> > "A different case is when the program talks across a network with
> > a server running on another machine, a
> "A different case is when the program talks across a network with
> a server running on another machine, and the server is proprietary or
> has an unknown license; unless the two pieces of software make a
> single program (for example because they exchange complex data
> structures intimately), t
Hello everyone,
based on what we said I would add the following paragraph to the hosting
requirements of NonGNU Savannah
(http://savannah.nongnu.org/register/requirements.php),
in the section "No dependencies on nonfree software" before the last paragraph:
"A different case is when the progra
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The rules for hosting packages on Savannah say that the package
must not depend on an
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