Re: [sage-devel] Re: Adding GCC and MPC as standard packages

2012-03-14 Thread Jeroen Demeyer
On 2012-03-14 01:11, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > You seem to indicate this will not be used to build Sage any more. > Right? Exactly. > (even though this is a working setup, as far as Sage 5.0.beta* are > concerned... Well, is there anything wrong with replacing a working setup by a different working

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Adding GCC and MPC as standard packages

2012-03-14 Thread Jeroen Demeyer
On 2012-03-14 02:07, John H Palmieri wrote: > I guess the answer to your question is yes, though: even with OS X 10.6 > or earlier, the proposal is to build gcc. Since Xcode doesn't include a Fortran compiler and the Fortran spkg will be removed, we *have* to build GCC anyway for gfortran. -- To

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Adding GCC and MPC as standard packages

2012-03-14 Thread Jeroen Demeyer
On 2012-03-14 07:24, Simon King wrote: > * CLooG needs GMP. Are you sure it doesn't work with MPIR? -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group

Re: [mpir-devel] Fwd: [sage-devel] Re: Upgrading the optional GMP spkg

2012-03-14 Thread Bill Hart
Probably GAP uses some of the GMP internals. As far as I know, we don't test MPIR against GAP. It sounds like we should. Bill. On 14 March 2012 02:55, William Stein wrote: > Hi MPIR devs > > Do any of you know what Dima is alluding to below? > > > -- Forwarded message -- > From:

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Adding GCC and MPC as standard packages

2012-03-14 Thread Florent Hivert
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 09:27:21AM +0100, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > On 2012-03-14 07:24, Simon King wrote: > > * CLooG needs GMP. > Are you sure it doesn't work with MPIR? Incidentally, Cédric Bastoul, the author of CLooG is working is the same research lab as me and teaching is the same department

[sage-devel] Re: University of Washington servers down?

2012-03-14 Thread David Loeffler
On Wednesday, 14 March 2012 03:37:27 UTC, William stein wrote: > > Quick update: > >* http://aleph.sagemath.org is up now, as Jason mentioned. > >* Absolutely *none* of the external disks attached to any of the > machines have appeared, so I can only guess something weird happened > with a

[sage-devel] Re: Adding GCC and MPC as standard packages

2012-03-14 Thread Simon King
Hi Jeroen, On 14 Mrz., 09:27, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > On 2012-03-14 07:24, Simon King wrote:>  * CLooG needs GMP. > > Are you sure it doesn't work with MPIR? When I first tried to install CLooG, then it failed and told me that GMP is missing. That's why I said GLooG needs GMP. However, I could

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Adding GCC and MPC as standard packages

2012-03-14 Thread Jeroen Demeyer
On 2012-03-14 09:46, Simon King wrote: > cloog is different from cloog-ppl I understand it that CLooG is the logical continuation of CLooG-PPL, so it is the same software. CLooG-PPL 0.15 was followed by CLooG 0.16. The reason they dropped the "-PPL" suffix is that CLooG 0.16 doesn't need PPL as b

Re: [sage-devel] ASKSAGE in trouble?

2012-03-14 Thread P Purkayastha
WFM. On Wednesday, March 14, 2012 7:57:54 AM UTC+8, aw1231 wrote: > > looks bad on my end too! > -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at

[sage-devel] Re: University of Washington servers down?

2012-03-14 Thread David Loeffler
On Wednesday, 14 March 2012 08:38:57 UTC, David Loeffler wrote: > It looks like the patchbot server, at patchbot.sagemath.org, is still > down. > > David > ... and now it's back up again. Thanks! -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this

[sage-devel] Re: Adding GCC and MPC as standard packages

2012-03-14 Thread Simon King
Hi Jeroen, On 14 Mrz., 09:52, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > The reason they dropped the "-PPL" suffix is that CLooG 0.16 doesn't > need PPL as build-time dependency.  CLooG-PPL needs PPL at build-time > (that's why you need the --with-ppl option).  GCC with Graphite needs > PPL itself and CLooG(-PPL) 0

[sage-devel] Re: Adding GCC and MPC as standard packages

2012-03-14 Thread Simon King
On 14 Mrz., 10:17, Simon King wrote: > The first thing I tried was CLooG 0.17.0, not using --with-ppl. That > has not been enough for your gcc spkg. To be precise: PPL with C interface and CLooG 0.17.0 not using --with-ppl => no success Adding CLooG-PPL 0.15.11 not using --with-ppl => no suc

[sage-devel] Re: University of Washington servers down?

2012-03-14 Thread Simon King
Hi! On 14 Mrz., 10:06, David Loeffler wrote: > ... and now it's back up again. Thanks! I can still not connect with sage.math.washington.edu. scp tells me that the connection timed out. Cheers, Simon -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from th

Re: [sage-devel] Re: University of Washington servers down?

2012-03-14 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 3:05 AM, Simon King wrote: > Hi! > > On 14 Mrz., 10:06, David Loeffler wrote: >> ... and now it's back up again. Thanks! > > I can still not connect with sage.math.washington.edu. scp tells me > that the connection timed out. To quote from my previous email: "Also, the co

Re: [sage-devel] ASKSAGE in trouble?

2012-03-14 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:59 AM, P Purkayastha wrote: > WFM. The server was temporarily down due to a power plant failure. William > > > On Wednesday, March 14, 2012 7:57:54 AM UTC+8, aw1231 wrote: >> >> looks bad on my end too! > > -- > To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@google

[sage-devel] Re: Basing new development versions of Sage on the previous development version

2012-03-14 Thread Georg S. Weber
> > Frankly said, it is currently *too easy* (for the release manager) to > abandon changes made to previous, already published [devel] releases > -- as if they never happened.  And whether that's beneficial to the > development and review process is at least questionable. > > 2ct, > > -leif Hi L

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Basing new development versions of Sage on the previous development version

2012-03-14 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Georg S. Weber wrote: > Finally, I'd like to add that in my eyes, Jeroen does a tremendously > good job in "coordinating concurrent or conflicting changes", to the > extent that more often than not, it is us fellow developers hanging > behind after him, not the oth

[sage-devel] sage math cluster gone

2012-03-14 Thread William Stein
Hi, I'm aware that a few minutes ago the entire sage.math cluster "vanished" from the internet. I know nothing about why yet. Until this is resolved, all services are unavailable, obviously. William -- William Stein Professor of Mathematics University of Washington http://wstein.org -- To

Re: [sage-devel] Re: University of Washington servers down?

2012-03-14 Thread David Loeffler
The trac server, which has been up all day, now seems to have gone back down again. David -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http:/

[sage-devel] Re: Basing new development versions of Sage on the previous development version

2012-03-14 Thread Keshav Kini
"Georg S. Weber" writes: > 1. > It can guarantee that each "official" release depends linearly on the > previous oficial release. I.e. there is a well defined (and openly > communicated/visible) series of patches, that will lead from one > official release to the next/following one, when these pat

[sage-devel] Re: sage math cluster gone

2012-03-14 Thread William Stein
Hi, A circuit breaker was blown by yet another power issue. Fortunately, the sysadmin strong some temporary power, and at least most services are restarted. http://sagenb.org isn't (since mod is still off), but at least http://*.sagenb.org is back for all *'s, trac is back, etc. -- William O

[sage-devel] Re: sage math cluster gone

2012-03-14 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:22 AM, William Stein wrote: > Hi, > > A circuit breaker was blown by yet another power issue.   Fortunately, > the sysadmin strong some temporary power, and at least most services > are restarted.  http://sagenb.org isn't (since mod is still off), but sagenb.org should

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Basing new development versions of Sage on the previous development version

2012-03-14 Thread Jeroen Demeyer
On 2012-03-14 19:20, Keshav Kini wrote: > If we switch to git, as I understand we eventually will, patches > (commits) made from an older dev release will be considered to "not > apply" (not be mergeable) a lot more often than merely the cases when > other people have meanwhile touched the same fil

[sage-devel] Re: sage math cluster gone

2012-03-14 Thread David Loeffler
On Wednesday, 14 March 2012 18:33:49 UTC, William stein wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:22 AM, William Stein wrote: > > Hi, > > > > A circuit breaker was blown by yet another power issue. Fortunately, > > the sysadmin strong some temporary power, and at least most services > > are restar

[sage-devel] Re: default ellipse color

2012-03-14 Thread kcrisman
On Feb 27, 3:24 pm, kcrisman wrote: > On Feb 27, 1:31 pm, William Stein wrote: > > > Hi, > > > Why is the default color for an ellipse (and circle) *black*, whereas > > the default color for (msot) everything else (even text) is blue? > > The default color for circles *was* blue when they were

[sage-devel] Re: Basing new development versions of Sage on the previous development version

2012-03-14 Thread Georg S. Weber
On 14 Mrz., 20:43, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > On 2012-03-14 19:20, Keshav Kini wrote:> If we switch to git, as I understand > we eventually will, patches > > (commits) made from an older dev release will be considered to "not > > apply" (not be mergeable) a lot more often than merely the cases when

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Basing new development versions of Sage on the previous development version

2012-03-14 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Georg S. Weber wrote: > On 14 Mrz., 20:43, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: >> On 2012-03-14 19:20, Keshav Kini wrote:> If we switch to git, as I >> understand we eventually will, patches >> > (commits) made from an older dev release will be considered to "not >> > apply" (

Re: [sage-devel] Building a deb for sage on Debian/Ubuntu

2012-03-14 Thread Dan Drake
On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 at 09:50PM +0100, Jan Groenewald wrote: > The deb available below was not built from source on launchpad, instead > it is the sage upstream binary built for Ubuntu 10.04.3 hammered into a > PPA for lucid, maverick natty, oneiric, and precise in the ugliest possible > way. > > I

[sage-devel] Re: Adding GCC and MPC as standard packages

2012-03-14 Thread leif
On Mar 14, 10:25 am, Simon King wrote: > On 14 Mrz., 10:17, Simon King wrote: > > > The first thing I tried was CLooG 0.17.0, not using --with-ppl. That > > has not been enough for your gcc spkg. > > To be precise: >   PPL with C interface and CLooG 0.17.0 not using --with-ppl  => no > success >

[sage-devel] Re: Adding GCC and MPC as standard packages

2012-03-14 Thread Simon King
Hi Leif, hi all, On 15 Mrz., 04:13, leif wrote: > So what we currently need is CLooG-PPL 0.15.11, and a suitable version > of PPL.  (I'm not 100% sure that PPL 0.11.2, the version currently > shipped with Sage, works, but /I think/(tm) it will...) I installed * a modified PPL 0.11.2 spkg, that a

Re: [sage-devel] Building a deb for sage on Debian/Ubuntu

2012-03-14 Thread Jan Groenewald
Hi Dan On 15 March 2012 02:05, Dan Drake wrote: > > sudo apt-add-repository ppa:aims/sagemath > > sudo apt-get update > > sudo apt-get install sagemath-upstream-binary > > I tried this in a 11.10 virtual machine, and it created the user's .sage > directory as owned by root -- with 700 permissio

[sage-devel] Re: Adding GCC and MPC as standard packages

2012-03-14 Thread Simon King
On 15 Mrz., 07:12, Simon King wrote: > I installed > * a modified PPL 0.11.2 spkg, that also installs a C interface, > * a CLooG-PPL 0.15.11 spkg > * a modified gcc 4.6.3 spkg, that builds gcc with graphite. And I forgot: I also upgraded the optional GMP spkg (GMP is required by CLooG). Our old s

[sage-devel] Re: Basing new development versions of Sage on the previous development version

2012-03-14 Thread Keshav Kini
"Georg S. Weber" writes: > On 14 Mrz., 20:43, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: >> On 2012-03-14 19:20, Keshav Kini wrote:> If we switch to git, as I >> understand we eventually will, patches >> > (commits) made from an older dev release will be considered to "not >> > apply" (not be mergeable) a lot more o