[sage-devel] Re: [fricas-devel] Re: Project

2008-04-21 Thread William Stein
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 3:22 AM, Ondrej Certik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 9:25 AM, mabshoff > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On Apr 21, 9:09 am, Martin Rubey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Just a quick note now, maybe more later: > > > > > > > > Hi

[sage-devel] Re: [fricas-devel] Re: Project

2008-04-21 Thread Ondrej Certik
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 9:25 AM, mabshoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Apr 21, 9:09 am, Martin Rubey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Just a quick note now, maybe more later: > > > > Hi Martin, > > > > > "I know of three open source implementations of lisp that do not need to > > > boots

[sage-devel] Re: [fricas-devel] Re: Project

2008-04-21 Thread mabshoff
On Apr 21, 9:09 am, Martin Rubey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just a quick note now, maybe more later: Hi Martin, > > "I know of three open source implementations of lisp that do not need to > > bootstrap themselves" > > What's wrong with bootstrapping, and in particular with > sbcl?http://ww

[sage-devel] Re: [fricas-devel] Re: [sage-devel] Re: [fricas-devel] Re: Project

2008-04-21 Thread Martin Rubey
Just a quick note now, maybe more later: "William Stein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I don't understand the Axiom distribution enough to understand > how big it is, but my impression is that it is *also* huge. Looking > in the src/src/algebra directory there are many hundreds of > thousands o

[sage-devel] Re: [fricas-devel] Re: Project

2008-04-20 Thread TimDaly
On Apr 20, 5:23 pm, "David Roe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 5:13 PM, TimDaly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I'm surprised by how convinced you are that using a specific > > > technology/language -- literate programming -- can be a silver > > > bullet to solve such

[sage-devel] Re: [fricas-devel] Re: Project

2008-04-20 Thread William Stein
On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 2:13 PM, TimDaly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'm surprised by how convinced you are that using a specific > > technology/language -- literate programming -- can be a silver > > bullet to solve such a difficult problem. I think peer review, > > and many many other

[sage-devel] Re: [fricas-devel] Re: Project

2008-04-20 Thread David Roe
On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 5:13 PM, TimDaly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'm surprised by how convinced you are that using a specific > > technology/language -- literate programming -- can be a silver > > bullet to solve such a difficult problem. I think peer review, > > and many many other

[sage-devel] Re: [fricas-devel] Re: Project

2008-04-20 Thread TimDaly
> I'm surprised by how convinced you are that using a specific > technology/language -- literate programming -- can be a silver > bullet to solve such a difficult problem. I think peer review, > and many many other things, are steps in the right direction, > but *not* solutions to the problem. I

[sage-devel] Re: [fricas-devel] Re: Project

2008-04-20 Thread TimDaly
> Sorry I was mainly interested in how many lines of code, in > some rough sense, are in the Axiom codebase, since this > whole thread started discussing the difficulties involved with > the code size of Axiom (since it's about combining source > code for project). I'm still really curious how b

[sage-devel] Re: [fricas-devel] Re: Project

2008-04-20 Thread mabshoff
On Apr 20, 9:07 pm, TimDaly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The 4Ms cannot make this kind of leap. The corporate structure won't > allow anything so innovative to set direction. In fact, I doubt you > could get Google, despite its corporate cleverness, to even consider > funding the development of

[sage-devel] Re: [fricas-devel] Re: [sage-devel] Re: [fricas-devel] Re: Project

2008-04-20 Thread William Stein
On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 12:07 PM, TimDaly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > A good unifying graphical interface is extremely important to creating > > > something that is a viable alternative to > > > Maple/Mathematica/Magma/Matlab. In some sense it is perhaps it > > > is *the* most im

[sage-devel] Re: [fricas-devel] Re: Project

2008-04-20 Thread William Stein
On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 11:13 AM, TimDaly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > How does the fricas/axiom source code layout work? > > Is it all written in pamphlets that lisp is generated from? > > There is a bit of a philosophical split between Axiom and > Fricas about source code layout and it

[sage-devel] Re: [fricas-devel] Re: [sage-devel] Re: [fricas-devel] Re: Project

2008-04-20 Thread TimDaly
> > A good unifying graphical interface is extremely important to creating > > something that is a viable alternative to > > Maple/Mathematica/Magma/Matlab. In some sense it is perhaps it > > is *the* most important thing. I fully agree that a unifying graphical interface is extremely impor

[sage-devel] Re: [fricas-devel] Re: [sage-devel] Re: [fricas-devel] Re: Project

2008-04-20 Thread Alfredo Portes
On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 1:01 PM, William Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I hope you fix this and submit a patch :-) Yeah I know talk is cheap. :-) but if there is no users what is the point? Same happened to the livecd. I was thinking on creating an optional package for OpenAxiom but just a

[sage-devel] Re: [fricas-devel] Re: [sage-devel] Re: [fricas-devel] Re: Project

2008-04-20 Thread Ralf Hemmecke
Hi William, On 04/20/2008 05:29 PM, William Stein wrote: >> > On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 3:10 AM, Martin Rubey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > > I don't have the guts to send this to a public mailing list. I >> probably >> > > should. If you want to, you have my permission. >> > > >> >

[sage-devel] Re: [fricas-devel] Re: Project

2008-04-20 Thread TimDaly
> How does the fricas/axiom source code layout work? > Is it all written in pamphlets that lisp is generated from? There is a bit of a philosophical split between Axiom and Fricas about source code layout and it is fairly fundamental. Axiom has everything in pamphlet files and is gradually movi

[sage-devel] Re: [fricas-devel] Re: [sage-devel] Re: [fricas-devel] Re: Project

2008-04-20 Thread William Stein
On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Alfredo Portes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi William, > > Given that I started this thread, I will try to share some of my ideas > regarding your questions. > > I am not an Axiom developer, probably Bill Page can answer > these questions better than anybo

[sage-devel] Re: [fricas-devel] Re: [sage-devel] Re: [fricas-devel] Re: Project

2008-04-20 Thread Alfredo Portes
Hi William, Given that I started this thread, I will try to share some of my ideas regarding your questions. I am not an Axiom developer, probably Bill Page can answer these questions better than anybody. On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 10:29 AM, William Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Sage

[sage-devel] Re: [fricas-devel] Re: Project

2008-04-20 Thread William Stein
On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 6:57 AM, David Joyner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Martin, Bill: > > Thanks for these very interesting emails! Some of my reactions are below. > > - David Joyner > > On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 9:35 AM, Bill Page <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Martin, > > > >

[sage-devel] Re: [fricas-devel] Re: Project

2008-04-20 Thread Ondrej Certik
Hi Martin! On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 3:57 PM, David Joyner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Martin, Bill: > > Thanks for these very interesting emails! Some of my reactions are below. > > - David Joyner > > > On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 9:35 AM, Bill Page <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Mart

[sage-devel] Re: [fricas-devel] Re: Project

2008-04-20 Thread David Joyner
Hi Martin, Bill: Thanks for these very interesting emails! Some of my reactions are below. - David Joyner On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 9:35 AM, Bill Page <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Martin, > > I think discussing things like off the email lists does more damage to > the community then it would