Re: [sage-devel] Ultimatum: sage's trac and wiki

On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 10:14:51AM -0800, William Stein wrote: > Thierry -- I'm also happy with adding you if you can send me an > @gmail.com address (and confirm that you setup 2-factor auth on it). > However, if you have a fundamental opposition to using any Google > technology (your email is "sa

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage GSOC 2016

On Mon, Feb 01, 2016 at 09:12:15AM -0800, Karan Desai wrote: >How about adding support for machine learning algorithms in sage ? >Hello developers, >I am just pitching in a very rough and amateur thought for the idea of >upcoming GSoC, and we can refine it further due to your inputs

Re: [sage-devel] google summer of code- Regression test framework/ Hyperplane arragement

Hi, thanks a lot I'll look into Macaulay2 implementation as macro and William stein suggested. William stein >For what it's worth I forwarded this to a hyper plane expert (my undergrad adviser from long ago) and he says "Cool, thanks. I hope all is >well. There is an arrangements package for Mac

Re: [sage-devel] google summer of code- Regression test framework/ Hyperplane arragement

Maybe that is a good way to start: look at what is available in Macaulay2 but not in Sage. El martes, 16 de febrero de 2016, 21:29:17 (UTC+1), William escribió: > > For what it's worth I forwarded this to a hyper plane expert (my undergrad > adviser from long ago) and he says "Cool, thanks. I ho

[sage-devel] Re: google summer of code- Regression test framework/ Hyperplane arragement

On Tuesday, February 16, 2016 at 12:54:27 PM UTC-6, mmarco wrote: > > Ops, i didn't see that. > > One question, what is the reason for defining a specific class for these > algebras instead of using any of the already available constructions > (g-algebra quotient, GCDA...) > > By being a com

Re: [sage-devel] google summer of code- Regression test framework/ Hyperplane arragement

For what it's worth I forwarded this to a hyper plane expert (my undergrad adviser from long ago) and he says "Cool, thanks. I hope all is well. There is an arrangements package for Macaulay2 now, in case you weren’t already aware. " On Tuesday, February 16, 2016, mmarco wrote: > The first refer

Re: [sage-devel] Re: For whoever cares about undergrads (or wants to help William earn more money)

+1 On 16 February 2016 at 19:37, kcrisman wrote: > Hi. This is a fascinating discussion, but I probably just burnt out my > eyeballs from observing the flames (and yes, I am 100% aware it can get > much, much worse). Clearly this has gone well beyond a technical > sage-devel discussion, so I h

[sage-devel] Re: google summer of code- Regression test framework/ Hyperplane arragement

Ops, i didn't see that. One question, what is the reason for defining a specific class for these algebras instead of using any of the already available constructions (g-algebra quotient, GCDA...) El martes, 16 de febrero de 2016, 17:49:03 (UTC+1), Travis Scrimshaw escribió: > > > *Hyper-plane

[sage-devel] Re: google summer of code- Regression test framework/ Hyperplane arragement

The first reference I would recommend you about hyperplane arrangements is this book: http://www.amazon.com/Arrangements-Hyperplanes-Grundlehren-mathematischen-Wissenschaften/dp/3540552596/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1208252764&sr=1-1 El martes, 16 de febrero de 2016, 17:49:03 (UTC+1), Trav

[sage-devel] Re: For whoever cares about undergrads (or wants to help William earn more money)

Hi. This is a fascinating discussion, but I probably just burnt out my eyeballs from observing the flames (and yes, I am 100% aware it can get much, much worse). Clearly this has gone well beyond a technical sage-devel discussion, so I hope that everyone who is still involved can take a frien

Re: [sage-devel] An Arabic translation of "A Tour of Sage"

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[sage-devel] Re: google summer of code- Regression test framework/ Hyperplane arragement

> *Hyper-plane arrangement* > > I would like to know more about the current situation of Hyperplane > arragement in sage and > how about The Orlik–Solomon algebra and The intersection semilattice and > the matroid with hyperplane arragement? > If there are any kind of references please let me

[sage-devel] Re: For whoever cares about undergrads (or wants to help William earn more money)

I still don't see your problem. SageMath is open-source, and because of the GPL always will be. Many open-source projects have a commercial side to them (MySQL, RedHat, Mozilla, ...) For now, I think SageMath the company and SageMath the open-source project have goals that are very well aligned.

[sage-devel] Re: will Sage apply for GSoC 2016?

You missed this discussion: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sage-devel/eWjHyd294ck/N02qfE_yAgAJ Short answer: yes. --Stefan On Tuesday, February 16, 2016 at 10:11:36 AM UTC-6, Ralf Stephan wrote: > > Ah thanks, but still: will there be an application? > According to Google: "The 2016 Mentor Org

[sage-devel] Re: will Sage apply for GSoC 2016?

Ah thanks, but still: will there be an application? According to Google: "The 2016 Mentor Organization application window is February 8th to 19th." On Tuesday, February 16, 2016 at 4:58:34 PM UTC+1, Samuel Lelievre wrote: > > The Google-s

[sage-devel] Re: will Sage apply for GSoC 2016?

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[sage-devel] will Sage apply for GSoC 2016?

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[sage-devel] Re: Regarding Flint in GSOC-2016

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Re: [sage-devel] google summer of code- Regression test framework/ Hyperplane arragement

Please suggest me references which can improve my knowledge about sage. > :-) > Thanks > Jayamine > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+

Re: [sage-devel] google summer of code- Regression test framework/ Hyperplane arragement

> Sir , Your idea is great! And thanks for the reply >- users should be able to propose small snippet of programs to be >included in the base of tests I think in that case a timer/clock/counter clock which is in the server can help. >- developer should set up and maintain servers tha

Re: [sage-devel] google summer of code- Regression test framework/ Hyperplane arragement

Hello Jayamine, I just answer about "Regression test framework" that I did propose. It is pure Python project and might fit with your skills. It is actually intended for *both* users and developers. But from different perspective: - users should be able to propose small snippet of programs to

[sage-devel] google summer of code- Regression test framework/ Hyperplane arragement

Hi , I'm an third year computer engineering student at university of Peradeniya. My major subjects are Discrete mathematics, Software engineering and Networking. Actually I'm new to Sage .. I played with sage to get a real feel of sage. Graphs, algorithms!! It's awesome.. Sincerely I have a g

Re: [sage-devel] Re: For whoever cares about undergrads (or wants to help William earn more money)

On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 14:15:08 UTC+1, Bill Hart wrote: > > > Anyway, any potential returns for my employer from continuing this > discussion are now diminishing well beyond the point of being reasonable. > So that's my last comment on this subject. > > Just a legal disclaimer because I

Re: [sage-devel] Re: For whoever cares about undergrads (or wants to help William earn more money)

On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 14:00:39 UTC+1, Nathann Cohen wrote: > If I hire people to write research papers and stamp my name on it, and > claim that it is my work, I would be a fraud. > > If I write a paper with coauthors and remove their name at the last > minute, becoming the only one

Re: [sage-devel] Re: For whoever cares about undergrads (or wants to help William earn more money)

> Oh, but I thought this whole thread was all about complaining about people's > curriculum and where they are getting money from publicly. It's a wrong impression. It is about Sage's monetization in SageMath cloud, which is of public interest. I can explain my own situation if that bothers you,

Re: [sage-devel] Re: For whoever cares about undergrads (or wants to help William earn more money)

Oh, but I thought this whole thread was all about complaining about people's curriculum and where they are getting money from publicly. So now you don't like that idea? Curious indeed. So you say that actually this is all about who you take money from. So William is taking money from you? How s

Re: [sage-devel] Re: For whoever cares about undergrads (or wants to help William earn more money)

Okay, now this is getting ridiculous. I will gladly answer any question about my own curriculum in private, and whoever finds my answer to be of public interest is allowed to post them wherever he likes. I'll stop participating to this thread which probably used most of everybody's patience. Natha

Re: [sage-devel] Re: For whoever cares about undergrads (or wants to help William earn more money)

On Tuesday, February 16, 2016 at 12:11:55 PM UTC, Nathann Cohen wrote: > > AAnd it goes again. Honestly nobody can tell me that I keep this > discussion going, I tried to stop it a thousand times already. > > > of course you are, we have discussed this - for in no small part you got > > yo

Re: [sage-devel] Re: For whoever cares about undergrads (or wants to help William earn more money)

AAnd it goes again. Honestly nobody can tell me that I keep this discussion going, I tried to stop it a thousand times already. > of course you are, we have discussed this - for in no small part you got > your job > via your involvement in Sage (and you agreed with this!). > Now what, followin

Re: [sage-devel] Re: For whoever cares about undergrads (or wants to help William earn more money)

On Tuesday, February 16, 2016 at 11:52:26 AM UTC, Nathann Cohen wrote: > > > I agree with you totally Nathann. But William is NOT selling Sage. > > Sorry, we discussed this sufficiently. I have no new argument to add. > You don't call your company SageMath Inc or SageMath Cloud if you > don't

Re: [sage-devel] Re: For whoever cares about undergrads (or wants to help William earn more money)

> I agree with you totally Nathann. But William is NOT selling Sage. Sorry, we discussed this sufficiently. I have no new argument to add. You don't call your company SageMath Inc or SageMath Cloud if you don't sell Sage in some way. > ANYONE, including you can make money from a product or servic

Re: [sage-devel] Re: For whoever cares about undergrads (or wants to help William earn more money)

I agree with you totally Nathann. But William is NOT selling Sage. It's still free for everyone. You can even use SMC for free, including for using Sage. William is selling a service that people obviously wanted, because they are prepared to pay for it. He is making money from that service (or

Re: [sage-devel] Re: For whoever cares about undergrads (or wants to help William earn more money)

Hello Bill, There is something I apparently can't get through: whatever William "deserves" for his hard work (and we all work hard, don't we?), he cannot take wherever he pleases. Selling drugs, prostitution, or blackmail would not be morally "right", whatever you think he deserves. *I* believe (p

Re: [sage-devel] Re: For whoever cares about undergrads (or wants to help William earn more money)

Nathann, yes, I think William deserves it. Sage would not exist without William, everyone knows this. That was certainly my point. But I've also known William for years and he has spent a lot of time searching for ways to pay Open Source developers. For example, he and I submitted a proposal to

Re: [sage-devel] Re: For whoever cares about undergrads (or wants to help William earn more money)

On Tuesday, February 16, 2016 at 10:17:37 AM UTC, Nathann Cohen wrote: > > > https://www.irs.gov/uac/IRS-Freedom-of-Information > > > > SMC tax filings are public information, and these filings are detailed > > enough > > to see if there is any pocketing of money going on. > > Now I get a no

Re: [sage-devel] Re: For whoever cares about undergrads (or wants to help William earn more money)

> Oh. Well, paying himself to work full-time on Sage can certainly be > understood as using SMC money to improve Sage. In my understanding, he > will probably do it eventually. Correction: to work full-time or not, on SMC or on Sage. Either way it's true that this conversation has not brought any

Re: [sage-devel] Re: For whoever cares about undergrads (or wants to help William earn more money)

> https://www.irs.gov/uac/IRS-Freedom-of-Information > > SMC tax filings are public information, and these filings are detailed > enough > to see if there is any pocketing of money going on. Now I get a notion of what you call 'more or less straightforward'. It was a good joke. >> He said that he

Re: [sage-devel] Re: For whoever cares about undergrads (or wants to help William earn more money)

On Tuesday, February 16, 2016 at 9:18:54 AM UTC, Nathann Cohen wrote: > > > Nathann, you make accusations stemming from you being clueless about > ways US > > companies operate, > > requirements for US tax reporting, etc. > > It is more or less straightforward to verify how much a company make

[sage-devel] Re: Regarding Flint in GSOC-2016

Hi, Thanks a lot, It's really great to hear from you. I went through the links that you have posted. Both the ideas are very interesting. I will be more than happy to work on these ideas. Previously also I have contributed a code in Flint and it was about implementing effect

Re: [sage-devel] Re: For whoever cares about undergrads (or wants to help William earn more money)

> Nathann, you make accusations stemming from you being clueless about ways US > companies operate, > requirements for US tax reporting, etc. > It is more or less straightforward to verify how much a company makes (it > gets complex with big > companies of size approaching Google, but it is irrelev

Re: [sage-devel] Re: For whoever cares about undergrads (or wants to help William earn more money)

Nathann, you make accusations stemming from you being clueless about ways US companies operate, requirements for US tax reporting, etc. It is more or less straightforward to verify how much a company makes (it gets complex with big companies of size approaching Google, but it is irrelevant here).