Nathann, yes, I think William deserves it. Sage would not exist without William, everyone knows this. That was certainly my point. But I've also known William for years and he has spent a lot of time searching for ways to pay Open Source developers. For example, he and I submitted a proposal to Microsoft in about 2010 to pay a developer to port Pari to Windows 64. We were successful in that, but it was a tiny amount of money.
William has applied for many grants, with a very recent NSF one being denied. William has approached big companies, like Microsoft, Sun, Boeing, the DoD and others, in search of funding, over a period of years. This has had very limited success. He's also approached various successful individual businessmen, looking for interest in investment. He's worked so ridiculously hard to get a sustainable source of funding to pay developer salaries so Sage can achieve its aim. He finally has such a mechanism, maybe, and you are complaining about it like he's trying to do something dishonest or undeserved. I don't know what ideology says that he wouldn't be entitled to draw a salary from his part or full time job, which I expect in the future will be at least partly maintaining SMC. Moreover, if that takes over all his time so that he is no longer able to research, teach or otherwise perform his duties in his current job, would you still deny him the right to draw a salary from what is occupying him essentially full time? If so, you are mad. You'd really prefer to see him starve would you? I not only think that William might pay himself from SMC in the future, but that he should, if it is successful. He will need the money to buy himself out from teaching, I would imagine, at the very least. he has a family to support you know! There is NOTHING stopping you from starting a company which makes money from leveraging Sage in some way and paying yourself. If you can come up with a product or service that people are actually prepared to pay you for, why not? The only reason you haven't done so is either because it doesn't interest you, or you haven't come up with such an idea, because you aren't William. I'm sure sagemath.org advertises SMC and vice versa because they both benefit one another. If you had a product or service that complemented Sage, I'm sure that too would be advertised on the website. And I'm pretty sure you too would mention Sage in all your advertising. You understand that either Sage or SMC alone are worth less than Sage and SMC together. It's actually possible for the two together to be worth more (either in dollar or in code or mathematical terms) than the sum of the two in isolation. Both projects *should* leverage each other. This is obvious. I think your complaints are invalid and disrespectful. Bill. On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 11:34:24 UTC+1, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, February 16, 2016 at 10:17:37 AM UTC, Nathann Cohen wrote: >> >> > https://www.irs.gov/uac/IRS-Freedom-of-Information >> > >> > SMC tax filings are public information, and these filings are detailed >> > enough >> > to see if there is any pocketing of money going on. >> >> Now I get a notion of what you call 'more or less straightforward'. It >> was a good joke. >> >> >> He said that he would never pay himself with SMC money ? >> > >> > he said that the proceeds of SMC will go towards improving Sage. >> >> Oh. Well, paying himself to work full-time on Sage can certainly be >> understood as using SMC money to improve Sage. In my understanding, he >> will probably do it eventually. >> > > so in your eyes William working on Sage while funded by the taxpayer is > good, and > William working on Sage while funded in some other way is not good, right? > So you declare that you are against the latter, and will not facilitate > this, right? > (sorry, I have a sensitive communist bullshit detector, and you are > triggering it over > and over again...) > > > > >> Nathann >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
