[sage-devel] Re: [sage-combinat-devel] Sage Days 65 mini report

2015-06-12 Thread Franco Saliola
On Friday, June 12, 2015 at 6:27:28 PM UTC-5, William Stein wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Franco Saliola > wrote: > > > > Here is a mini report on Sage Day 65. I'm not an organizer so this is > not > > official. > > Thanks to Anne Schilling for helping to prepare this. > >

[sage-devel] Re: [sage-combinat-devel] Sage Days 65 mini report

2015-06-12 Thread Mike Zabrocki
> If you are asking for ideas, I'm wondering: how hard would it be to > give the user better information and better options in the case when a > Sage install fails due to a package? > I'll add a +1 for this idea. I helped Stephen Doty install the development version of Sage on his machine whi

[sage-devel] Re: [sage-combinat-devel] Sage Days 65 mini report

2015-06-12 Thread William Stein
On Friday, June 12, 2015, Anne Schilling wrote: > Actually, Peter Tingley's Sage was not working due to some git problems > (committing on top of the develop branch)! That has been fixed. So it was > not really an install problem. > > The SageMathCloud was great for those who had trouble installi

[sage-devel] Re: [sage-combinat-devel] Sage Days 65 mini report

2015-06-12 Thread Anne Schilling
Actually, Peter Tingley's Sage was not working due to some git problems (committing on top of the develop branch)! That has been fixed. So it was not really an install problem. The SageMathCloud was great for those who had trouble installing Sage on their own computer. Sometimes we had connecti

[sage-devel] Re: Sage Days 65 mini report

2015-06-12 Thread kcrisman
- Installation troubles: > > - several people had a hard difficult time installing Sage on their > machines (8-10 people) > > - there were people who did not have a working development version on > their > machines by the end of the week (4-5 people); two of these people > w

Re: [sage-devel] Re: revisions to sandpiles needs review

2015-06-12 Thread David Perkinson
I have two bright former students who would probably be willing to help. One is in currently in the CS program at UW and the other will start the PhD program in math at Berkeley next fall. Both know sandpile theory well (the former is a co-author), and both have experience using the Sage, esp

[sage-devel] Re: [sage-combinat-devel] Sage Days 65 mini report

2015-06-12 Thread Darij Grinberg
On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 1:26 AM, William Stein wrote: > This is a bummer. It gives me even more motivation to make > SageMathCloud Sage-developer friendly.I'm also curious if anybody > has any -- possibly *radical* -- suggestions about how to address this > problem using new ideas. +1 for a

[sage-devel] Re: [sage-combinat-devel] Sage Days 65 mini report

2015-06-12 Thread William Stein
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Franco Saliola wrote: > > Here is a mini report on Sage Day 65. I'm not an organizer so this is not > official. > Thanks to Anne Schilling for helping to prepare this. > > - 24 tickets on trac are tagged with `sagedays65` or `sd65`. Some of these > have > been po

Re: [sage-devel] The future of polybori

2015-06-12 Thread R. Andrew Ohana
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 5:34 AM, 'Martin Albrecht' via sage-devel < sage-devel@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Hi, > > so, the Singular team *wants* to keep PolyBoRi alive, but it's currently > not > clear if and when they *can* devote resources to it. This will be clarified > over the next few months

Re: [sage-devel] The future of polybori

2015-06-12 Thread R. Andrew Ohana
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 2:42 PM, Alexander Dreyer < jan.alexander.dre...@gmail.com> wrote: > From my point of view a fork - or better call it sequel - would be the > best. > > Unfortunately, all original developers like me went to industrial > positions, which are completely unrelated to PolyBoRi

[sage-devel] Sage Days 65 mini report

2015-06-12 Thread Franco Saliola
Here is a mini report on Sage Day 65. I'm not an organizer so this is not official. Thanks to Anne Schilling for helping to prepare this. - 24 tickets on trac are tagged with `sagedays65` or `sd65`. Some of these have been positively reviewed and marked as fixed. Some are waiting for review (h

Re: [sage-devel] Packaging rant

2015-06-12 Thread Paulo César Pereira de Andrade
2015-06-12 6:18 GMT-03:00 Jeroen Demeyer : > On 2015-06-11 10:31, Julien Puydt wrote: >> >> Open software is about cooperation. > > Of course. The question is: what should we do if upstream does not want to > cooperate? I don't want to call names in this thread, but I have proposed > patches to man

Re: [sage-devel] Re: revisions to sandpiles needs review

2015-06-12 Thread Volker Braun
The following two should succeed: make ptestlong make doc-pdf On Friday, June 12, 2015 at 8:36:39 PM UTC+2, David Perkinson wrote: > > One constructive thing I can do, at least, is revise the code to the point > that patchbot is happy. Up to this point, I have only known of the test > "sage

Re: [sage-devel] Re: revisions to sandpiles needs review

2015-06-12 Thread David Perkinson
One constructive thing I can do, at least, is revise the code to the point that patchbot is happy. Up to this point, I have only known of the test "sage -t". All tests passed for my revised code. The problems patchbot is flagging all seem to be issues with building documentation: indentatio

Re: (off topic) Re: [sage-devel] The future of polybori

2015-06-12 Thread Travis Scrimshaw
On Thursday, June 11, 2015 at 12:11:34 PM UTC-7, William wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 11:55 AM, Francesco Biscani > > wrote: > > On 11 June 2015 at 20:13, Travis Scrimshaw > wrote: > >> > >>Difficult-to-dechiper can be considered a pro by bigger businesses > with > >> proprietry

Re: [sage-devel] Re: revisions to sandpiles needs review

2015-06-12 Thread kcrisman
> > > The guideline is not a rule, but it has not been put there for no > reason either. I have had to do *very* long reviews of a diff that > wasn't half as long as yours. I certainly would not start another one > when, from the look of your diff file, the changes are so unrelated > that you

Re: [sage-devel] Re: parents and elements and categories

2015-06-12 Thread 'Martin R' via sage-devel
Dear Categurus! I would somehow like to move on, so it would be good to know 1) is my question very difficult to answer (and I should go for something less ambitious) (i.e., takes even a category guru more than 15min to think about), or 2) is my question hard to understand or silly (and I shou

[sage-devel] Re: SageManifolds Install Issue

2015-06-12 Thread Jan Groenewald
Also, to revert in the meantime, do wget https://launchpad.net/~aims/+archive/ubuntu/sagemath/+build/7499250/+files/sagemath-upstream-binary_6.7ppa10revert6.6.aims6-2_amd64.deb sudo dpkg -i sagemath-upstream-binary_6.7ppa10revert6.6.aims6-2_amd64.deb sudo apt-mark hold sagemath-upstream-binary Re

[sage-devel] Re: SageManifolds Install Issue

2015-06-12 Thread Jan Groenewald
Hi The more important drop is the whole src folder, which I think is needed for rebuilds. We did it to save space and bandwidth, and most importantly you should not be compiling as root which is necessary to install optional packages, which we intentially dropped now.. Perhaps a poll on this is ne

[sage-devel] Fwd: [GAP] GAP 4.7.8 release

2015-06-12 Thread Samuel Lelièvre
GAP 4.7.8 is out. I opened http://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/18689 -- Forwarded message -- From: Alexander Konovalov Date: 2015-06-12 12:00 GMT+02:00 Subject: [GAP] GAP 4.7.8 release To: gap-dev , GAP Support , g...@gap-system.org Dear all, The 4.7.8 release just happened -

Re: [sage-devel] Packaging rant

2015-06-12 Thread Jeroen Demeyer
On 2015-06-12 14:32, Julien Puydt wrote: Nothing will slow development down like dozens of forked packages to maintain, especially if upstreams consider you hostile. If you mean "forking" in the serious sense, you're probably right. If you mean "forking" as in "add a few patches", then you're

Re: [sage-devel] The future of polybori

2015-06-12 Thread Jeroen Demeyer
On 2015-06-12 14:34, 'Martin Albrecht' via sage-devel wrote: Hi, so, the Singular team *wants* to keep PolyBoRi alive, but it's currently not clear if and when they *can* devote resources to it. This will be clarified over the next few months it seems. Doesn't OpenDreamKit help with this? --

Re: [sage-devel] The future of polybori

2015-06-12 Thread 'Martin Albrecht' via sage-devel
Hi, so, the Singular team *wants* to keep PolyBoRi alive, but it's currently not clear if and when they *can* devote resources to it. This will be clarified over the next few months it seems. Cheers, Martin On Friday 12 Jun 2015 10:14:53 Martin Albrecht wrote: > I started talking to some peopl

Re: [sage-devel] Packaging rant

2015-06-12 Thread Julien Puydt
Hi, Le 12/06/2015 11:18, Jeroen Demeyer a écrit : On 2015-06-11 10:31, Julien Puydt wrote: Open software is about cooperation. Of course. The question is: what should we do if upstream does not want to cooperate? I don't want to call names in this thread, but I have proposed patches to many up

Re: [sage-devel] Packaging rant

2015-06-12 Thread Francois Bissey
> On 12/06/2015, at 21:18, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > > On 2015-06-11 10:31, Julien Puydt wrote: >> Open software is about cooperation. > Of course. The question is: what should we do if upstream does not want to > cooperate? I don't want to call names in this thread, but I have proposed > patche

Re: [sage-devel] The future of polybori

2015-06-12 Thread William Stein
On Friday, June 12, 2015, 'Martin Albrecht' via sage-devel < sage-devel@googlegroups.com> wrote: > I started talking to some people from the symbolic computation community to > discuss options (e.g. if someone wants to take over maintenance). Hence, > don't > rush to a conclusion please, I'd reall

Re: [sage-devel] Packaging rant

2015-06-12 Thread Jeroen Demeyer
On 2015-06-11 10:31, Julien Puydt wrote: Open software is about cooperation. Of course. The question is: what should we do if upstream does not want to cooperate? I don't want to call names in this thread, but I have proposed patches to many upstream projects which are part of Sage (usually th

Re: [sage-devel] The future of polybori

2015-06-12 Thread 'Martin Albrecht' via sage-devel
I started talking to some people from the symbolic computation community to discuss options (e.g. if someone wants to take over maintenance). Hence, don't rush to a conclusion please, I'd really like to keep PolyBoRi around somehow but don't want to be (sole) maintainer. Cheers, Martin On Thur