Re: [sage-devel] Re: Maple versus Mathematica

2014-11-30 Thread Nathann Cohen
Hello ! > That's right. Do you (or any of the authors of this book...) know whether > an English/German/Spanish/... translation or a similar project in another > language is planned? That could be a good way to show teachers that Sage is > well-suited for classes. Kanappan wanted to work on an en

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Maple versus Mathematica

2014-11-30 Thread Bruno Grenet
2014-12-01 7:44 GMT+01:00 William Stein : > Paul Zimmerman did a huge amount in that direction with the French > book he edited on Sage for undergrad teaching (which was a huge > project). > That's right. Do you (or any of the authors of this book...) know whether an English/German/Spanish/... tr

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Maple versus Mathematica

2014-11-30 Thread Nathann Cohen
Yo ! > :-) You're right -- I guess after 10 years, I'm starting to seriously lose my > patience. I believe that we should be allowed to lose our patience after 10 years. 6 months seems to be a lot already. > Gregory Bard did a lot this year in that direction though, with his book. > > > Paul Zim

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Maple versus Mathematica

2014-11-30 Thread William Stein
On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 10:38 PM, Nathann Cohen wrote: > "1) Be friendly and patient." (sorry can't resist) :-) You're right -- I guess after 10 years, I'm starting to seriously lose my patience. > I would say that most of us are only using Sage for research, and that > we are not the kind of d

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Maple versus Mathematica

2014-11-30 Thread Jori Mantysalo
On Mon, 1 Dec 2014, Nathann Cohen wrote: How would you attract teachers here ? How would you convince them that Sage is THE tool for teaching ? (no mention of research) 1) Whole error reporting should be changed. "1+2+" and "(1+(2+3)" should give meaningful (and different) error message like

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Maple versus Mathematica

2014-11-30 Thread Nathann Cohen
Hello ! > Do any of you care? Are you doing anything that will make Sage get > any closer to its mission statement? "1) Be friendly and patient." (sorry can't resist) I would say that most of us are only using Sage for research, and that we are not the kind of developpers who will fulfull your

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Maple versus Mathematica

2014-11-30 Thread William Stein
On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 10:13 PM, rjf wrote: > > > On Sunday, November 30, 2014 9:03:39 PM UTC-8, William wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 8:14 PM, rjf wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, November 18, 2014 1:35:21 PM UTC-8, William wrote: See this interesting document: >>>

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Maple versus Mathematica

2014-11-30 Thread rjf
On Sunday, November 30, 2014 9:03:39 PM UTC-8, William wrote: > > > > On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 8:14 PM, rjf > > wrote: > >> >> >> On Tuesday, November 18, 2014 1:35:21 PM UTC-8, William wrote: >>> >>> See this interesting document: >>> >>>http://www.maplesoft.com/products/maple/compare/ >>>

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Maple versus Mathematica

2014-11-30 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 27 Nov 2014 20:51, "maldun" wrote: > I personally a comparison of sage with the other Systems is quite hard, since all of the other 4Ms concentrate more or less > on particular fields of mathematic (e.g. Matlab focus on numerics, Mathematica more on Calculus etc.) > Sage is far from perfect bu

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Maple versus Mathematica

2014-11-30 Thread William Stein
On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 8:14 PM, rjf wrote: > > > On Tuesday, November 18, 2014 1:35:21 PM UTC-8, William wrote: >> >> See this interesting document: >> >>http://www.maplesoft.com/products/maple/compare/ >> HowMapleComparestoMathematica.pdf >> >> Thanks for pointing it out. For a marketing d

[sage-devel] Re: Maple versus Mathematica

2014-11-30 Thread rjf
On Tuesday, November 18, 2014 1:35:21 PM UTC-8, William wrote: > > See this interesting document: > > > http://www.maplesoft.com/products/maple/compare/HowMapleComparestoMathematica.pdf > > > Thanks for pointing it out. For a marketing document it is not too bad, but it is still a market

Re: [sage-devel] Problem with "extern C" in c_lib and C++ reference

2014-11-30 Thread François Bissey
In sage-on-gentoo I don't seem to hit that problem with 4.9.2 either. I am really curious about your default building flags. Francois On Mon, 01 Dec 2014 12:51:50 François Bissey wrote: > Very strange I don't have it in sage-on-gentoo. > objdump -T --demangle /usr/lib64/libcsage.so |grep ZZ_p_t

Re: [sage-devel] Problem with "extern C" in c_lib and C++ reference

2014-11-30 Thread François Bissey
Very strange I don't have it in sage-on-gentoo. objdump -T --demangle /usr/lib64/libcsage.so |grep ZZ_p_to_int 9320 gDF .text 000e BaseZZ_p_to_int sage -v Sage Version 6.5.beta1, Release Date: 2014-11-23 We had a few issue with C++ ompiling during the upgra

Re: [sage-devel] Sage Learn_sat AttributeError

2014-11-30 Thread Joe ouni
Hi, I have created a ticket two weeks ago and until now I have received no response. Here is the link http://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/17351#ticket Maybe you can help me. On Tuesday, November 11, 2014 12:15:51 PM UTC+1, Martin Albrecht wrote: > > On Tuesday 11 Nov 2014 02:43:19 Joe ouni wrote: >

[sage-devel] Re: Problem with "extern C" in c_lib and C++ reference

2014-11-30 Thread Volker Braun
We just upgraded NTL, the new version should be better with C++: Trac #16882. Having said that, I didn't have any problems compiling Sage-6.4.1 on Fedora 21. It might be that your toolchain is too bleeding-edge... On Sunday, November 30, 2014 1:44:11 PM UTC, Paulo César Pereira de Andrade w

[sage-devel] Problem with "extern C" in c_lib and C++ reference

2014-11-30 Thread Paulo César Pereira de Andrade
I think this may have been working somewhat of by accident before, because it says 'extern "C"' in one place and in another say '// sorry, if you want a C version, feel free to add it' I delayed a bit sagemath 6.4 update due to some dependencies needing to be updated in Fedora, in the meantime

[sage-devel] Re: coeffs() & coefficients()

2014-11-30 Thread Volker Braun
You want this one: sage: R. = QQ[] sage: (x^2+2*y+1).dict() {(0, 0): 1, (0, 1): 2, (2, 0): 1} On Sunday, November 30, 2014 8:06:28 AM UTC, rjf wrote: > > maybe this could be added. > A method called something like ExponentCoeffPairsExcludingZeros, > which would return a list of pairs, in so

[sage-devel] Re: coeffs() & coefficients()

2014-11-30 Thread rjf
maybe this could be added. A method called something like ExponentCoeffPairsExcludingZeros, which would return a list of pairs, in some exponent order. Maybe that's inconvenient in Python/sympy. RJF > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-de