[sage-devel] Re: which letter to use for the universal cyclotomics ?

2012-11-25 Thread Nils Bruin
On Nov 25, 9:55 pm, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > wouldn't EE be a more consistent choice, in line with QQ, ZZ, etc? That looks like an emulation of \mathbb{E}, which I have quite frequently seen used for expectation of a random variable and for nothing else. If we put UCF in the global namespace, wo

[sage-devel] Re: which letter to use for the universal cyclotomics ?

2012-11-25 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On 2012-11-25, John H Palmieri wrote: > --=_Part_50_31240537.1353878014628 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > On Sunday, November 25, 2012 12:56:55 PM UTC-8, Volker Braun wrote: >> >> On Sunday, November 25, 2012 8:12:50 PM UTC, Nils Bruin wrote: >>> >>> opposed to having a

[sage-devel] Re: which letter to use for the universal cyclotomics ?

2012-11-25 Thread Simon King
Hi! On 2012-11-25, John H Palmieri wrote: > There is a drawback to adding things to the global namespace if the name is > ambiguous or uninformative. "UCF" looks much better to me than "E" because > of this. Indeed. I would expect that "E" in the global name space of any computer algebra syste

[sage-devel] Re: 128 failed tests of Sage-5.4.1 on Debian Wheezy

2012-11-25 Thread Johan Grönqvist
2012-11-26 04:52, Dima Pasechnik skrev: On 2012-11-26, v_2e wrote: I removed the package 't1-cyrillic' which contained the files with comma in 'ItalicAngle', and now the Sage tests pass fine. I think that 't1-cyrillic' triggers a bug - E.g. on a system without cygillic locale one e.g. has /

[sage-devel] Re: which letter to use for the universal cyclotomics ?

2012-11-25 Thread Travis Scrimshaw
Hey everyone, > - will anyone have any idea what "E" would do from the Sage command line? > Once you've seen ZZ, you can guess about QQ or RR or CC; how universally > used is "E" for this mathematical object? > > My 2 cents: perhaps EE in similar fashion to ZZ, QQ, etc.? I feel that E is too

[sage-devel] Re: 128 failed tests of Sage-5.4.1 on Debian Wheezy

2012-11-25 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On 2012-11-26, v_2e wrote: > I removed the package 't1-cyrillic' which contained the files with > comma in 'ItalicAngle' value that I listed in one of my previous > messages, and now the Sage tests pass fine. > However, I do not understand why the Sage which installed into '/opt' > directory d

Re: [sage-devel] Re: which letter to use for the universal cyclotomics ?

2012-11-25 Thread Volker Braun
On Sunday, November 25, 2012 10:34:47 PM UTC, John Cremona wrote: > The notation e(n) is common for exp(2*pi*i*n), more so than E(n) in > normal mathematics. But I do not think that either e() or E() should > be global functions with this meaning; anyone wanting to use them can > easily defin

Re: [sage-devel] Re: 128 failed tests of Sage-5.4.1 on Debian Wheezy

2012-11-25 Thread v_2e
I removed the package 't1-cyrillic' which contained the files with comma in 'ItalicAngle' value that I listed in one of my previous messages, and now the Sage tests pass fine. However, I do not understand why the Sage which installed into '/opt' directory depends on some Cyrillic fonts installe

[sage-devel] Building 5.5.rc0 fails on sage.math.waashington.edu?

2012-11-25 Thread Jean-Pierre Flori
Was it expected or did I mess something in the way? I just exported MAKE and SAGE_ATLAS_LIB The R spkg fails erroring in the end with make[6]: Entering directory `/home/jpflori/sage-5.5.rc0/spkg/build/r-2.14.0.p6/src/src/main' gcc -std=gnu99 -I../../src/extra/zlib -I../../src/extra/bzip2 -I../.

Re: [sage-devel] Re: 128 failed tests of Sage-5.4.1 on Debian Wheezy

2012-11-25 Thread François Bissey
On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 00:35:45 v_2e wrote: > Hello! > > On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 22:19:14 +0100 > > Johan Grönqvist wrote: > > All my lines like that in AFM files seem to use a "." as decimal > > separator. Perhaps you have a "," somewhere? > > > > (Of course, it could just be your system printing t

Re: [sage-devel] Re: 128 failed tests of Sage-5.4.1 on Debian Wheezy

2012-11-25 Thread v_2e
Hello! On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 22:19:14 +0100 Johan Grönqvist wrote: > > All my lines like that in AFM files seem to use a "." as decimal > separator. Perhaps you have a "," somewhere? > > (Of course, it could just be your system printing things using the > ",", rather than the actual AFM file c

Re: [sage-devel] Re: which letter to use for the universal cyclotomics ?

2012-11-25 Thread John Cremona
The notation e(n) is common for exp(2*pi*i*n), more so than E(n) in normal mathematics. But I do not think that either e() or E() should be global functions with this meaning; anyone wanting to use them can easily define it themselves. John On 25 November 2012 21:50, Volker Braun wrote: > If y

[sage-devel] Re: which letter to use for the universal cyclotomics ?

2012-11-25 Thread Volker Braun
If you ever used GAP then the E(3) notation will be very familiar. Its shorthand for exp(2*pi*I/3), so its not unintentional that it is similar to exponentiation. If you don't know GAP then neither E(3) nor UCF.gen(3) will be familiar to you, of course. Also, one thing that I learned to appre

Re: [sage-devel] Re: 128 failed tests of Sage-5.4.1 on Debian Wheezy

2012-11-25 Thread v_2e
On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:56:11 +0100 Johan Grönqvist wrote: > > If I was missing a font related to these kinds of things, I would > first try to install the debian package texlive-fonts-recommended and > see if that helped. (I have that package installed on the system > where all tests pass.) >

[sage-devel] Re: 128 failed tests of Sage-5.4.1 on Debian Wheezy

2012-11-25 Thread Johan Grönqvist
2012-11-25 21:41, v_2e skrev: On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 09:24:38 +1300 François Bissey wrote: You may be missing a font Vladimir. Yes, I thought so too, but which one? How can I find it out? Another idea, after some reading on the internet In another message, you pasted the following output

[sage-devel] Re: which letter to use for the universal cyclotomics ?

2012-11-25 Thread John H Palmieri
On Sunday, November 25, 2012 12:56:55 PM UTC-8, Volker Braun wrote: > > On Sunday, November 25, 2012 8:12:50 PM UTC, Nils Bruin wrote: >> >> opposed to having an instance of UCF initialized in sage by default. >> It's a very useful parent to have, but it can easily be constructed >> when requir

[sage-devel] Re: which letter to use for the universal cyclotomics ?

2012-11-25 Thread Volker Braun
On Sunday, November 25, 2012 8:12:50 PM UTC, Nils Bruin wrote: > > opposed to having an instance of UCF initialized in sage by default. > It's a very useful parent to have, but it can easily be constructed > when required. > Are we also getting rid of QQ then, since it can easily be obtained as

[sage-devel] Re: 128 failed tests of Sage-5.4.1 on Debian Wheezy

2012-11-25 Thread Johan Grönqvist
2012-11-25 21:41, v_2e skrev: You may be missing a font Vladimir. Yes, I thought so too, but which one? How can I find it out? Trying to help by random guessing: If I was missing a font related to these kinds of things, I would first try to install the debian package texlive-fonts-reco

Re: [sage-devel] Re: 128 failed tests of Sage-5.4.1 on Debian Wheezy

2012-11-25 Thread François Bissey
On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 22:41:24 v_2e wrote: > On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 09:24:38 +1300 > > François Bissey wrote: > > You may be missing a font Vladimir. > > Yes, I thought so too, but which one? How can I find it out? > Could you check if any font are pulled by debian if you install the matplotlib d

Re: [sage-devel] Re: 128 failed tests of Sage-5.4.1 on Debian Wheezy

2012-11-25 Thread v_2e
On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 09:24:38 +1300 François Bissey wrote: > You may be missing a font Vladimir. > Yes, I thought so too, but which one? How can I find it out? Thanks! Vladimir - v_2e -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group

Re: [sage-devel] Re: 128 failed tests of Sage-5.4.1 on Debian Wheezy

2012-11-25 Thread François Bissey
On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 22:22:47 v_2e wrote: > Hello! > > On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 19:05:28 +0100 > > Johan Grönqvist wrote: > > On my (amd64) debian wheezy, I ran make test on sage 5.4.1 and I see: > > > > "All tests passed!" > > > > Did you run some other command to test things? > > I did run 'm

Re: [sage-devel] Re: 128 failed tests of Sage-5.4.1 on Debian Wheezy

2012-11-25 Thread v_2e
Hello! On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 19:05:28 +0100 Johan Grönqvist wrote: > > On my (amd64) debian wheezy, I ran make test on sage 5.4.1 and I see: > > "All tests passed!" > > Did you run some other command to test things? > I did run 'make test' command. I have also noticed that the detailed e

[sage-devel] Re: which letter to use for the universal cyclotomics ?

2012-11-25 Thread Nils Bruin
On Nov 25, 12:12 pm, Nils Bruin wrote: > However, I would be opposed to have E injected in the global namespace > for this purpose. Sorry, I wasn't clear there. I mean I'm opposed to have E injected *by default*. Of course, once someone defines an instance of this field then they're free to inject

[sage-devel] Re: which letter to use for the universal cyclotomics ?

2012-11-25 Thread Nils Bruin
On Nov 25, 10:49 am, Christian Stump wrote: > Hi -- > > we are almost ready getting the universal cyclotomic field, UCF (which > is the smallest subfield of the complex numbers containing all roots > of unity) into sage, seehttp://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/8327. > > In GAP, the point of e

[sage-devel] Re: Disable the "trailing whitespace" patchbot plugin

2012-11-25 Thread Keshav Kini
Volker Braun writes: > On Sunday, November 25, 2012 7:30:21 PM UTC, Keshav Kini wrote: > > Yup. (The latter would of course be better.) But it would be on > everyone's local sage install, not on trac or in the release > management > scripts :) > > > Well it better be a hook in th

[sage-devel] simple developer manual patch

2012-11-25 Thread Volker Braun
The example docstrings are horrible ;-) http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/13756 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email

[sage-devel] Re: Disable the "trailing whitespace" patchbot plugin

2012-11-25 Thread Volker Braun
On Sunday, November 25, 2012 7:30:21 PM UTC, Keshav Kini wrote: > Yup. (The latter would of course be better.) But it would be on > everyone's local sage install, not on trac or in the release management > scripts :) Well it better be a hook in the local repo, its very annoying to commit and

[sage-devel] Re: Disable the "trailing whitespace" patchbot plugin

2012-11-25 Thread Keshav Kini
Ivan Andrus writes: > On Nov 25, 2012, at 1:01 AM, Keshav Kini wrote: > >> Travis Scrimshaw writes: >>> Hey, >>> I'd be happy with A), but perhaps we could have an option D) where >>> when we upload (or merge) patches into sage, we automatically strip >>> all whitespace in the patch file? >>

[sage-devel] Re: which letter to use for the universal cyclotomics ?

2012-11-25 Thread Volker Braun
I'm happy with E... It would be nice to also have it as UCF.E in case you overrode E already with something else in an interactive session though. On Sunday, November 25, 2012 6:49:51 PM UTC, Christian Stump wrote: > > Hi -- > > we are almost ready getting the universal cyclotomic field, UCF

[sage-devel] which letter to use for the universal cyclotomics ?

2012-11-25 Thread Christian Stump
Hi -- we are almost ready getting the universal cyclotomic field, UCF (which is the smallest subfield of the complex numbers containing all roots of unity) into sage, see http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/8327. In GAP, the point of entry is the function E, like in E(5) to get exp( 2 \pi i

[sage-devel] Re: 128 failed tests of Sage-5.4.1 on Debian Wheezy

2012-11-25 Thread Johan Grönqvist
2012-11-25 17:20, v_2e skrev: I'm not sure this is important, but I decided to report it just in case. These are the failed tests of Sage-5.4.1 on Debian Wheezy. -- The following tests failed: > [...] On my (amd64) debi

[sage-devel] 128 failed tests of Sage-5.4.1 on Debian Wheezy

2012-11-25 Thread v_2e
Hello! I'm not sure this is important, but I decided to report it just in case. These are the failed tests of Sage-5.4.1 on Debian Wheezy. -- The following tests failed: sage -t -force_lib "devel/sage/doc/de/tutoria

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Disable the "trailing whitespace" patchbot plugin

2012-11-25 Thread William Stein
On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 6:11 AM, Ivan Andrus wrote: > I disagree. Perhaps I am alone in this, but I often (used to) move to the > end of the line, go back a few characters (to get inside parenthesis or > something), and start typing. If there is trailing whitespace that I didn't > know about I w

Re: [sage-devel] Re: upgrading sage while working on patches

2012-11-25 Thread William Stein
On Nov 24, 2012 5:09 PM, "Keshav Kini" wrote: > > Charles Bouillaguet writes: > > Hi all, > > > > I just tried to upgrade from 5.4 to 5.4.1, and it worked. > > > > However, the upgrade process interacts bizarrely with mercurial's > > patch queue. I had a non-empty patch queue, and applied the upg

Re: [sage-devel] Re: assuming 'integer' can change results of limit from 3 to +oo? (possible bug?)

2012-11-25 Thread Andrzej Giniewicz
Good news - it is said to be fixed in git (like 10 minutes ago). I will test git version soon. https://sourceforge.net/p/maxima/code/ci/5ad2bf71294381da63cafdeded1e5e2de03aa936/ Anyway, is such cases (wrong answers), do we wait for 5.28.1/5.29 or backport this (short) patch into 5.28.0 spkg? On

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Disable the "trailing whitespace" patchbot plugin

2012-11-25 Thread Ivan Andrus
On Nov 25, 2012, at 1:01 AM, Keshav Kini wrote: > Travis Scrimshaw writes: >> Hey, >> I'd be happy with A), but perhaps we could have an option D) where >> when we upload (or merge) patches into sage, we automatically strip >> all whitespace in the patch file? > > This will get nasty once we

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Disable the "trailing whitespace" patchbot plugin

2012-11-25 Thread Volker Braun
+1 for doing it during the git conversion -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Vis