[sage-devel] Re: has Apple effectively forked gcc?

2011-04-08 Thread Dima Pasechnik
That's on the current status of Boehm GC support on Apple's llvm-gcc -- Forwarded message -- From: Asst. Prof. Dmitrii (Dima) Pasechnik Date: 9 April 2011 12:21 Subject: Fwd: unable to compile GC using Apple's llvm-gcc (from XCode 4) To: g...@linux.hpl.hp.com Cc: Marius Schamschul

Re: [sage-devel] Re: has Apple effectively forked gcc?

2011-04-08 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Tim Lahey wrote: >> On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Tim Lahey wrote: >>> On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 3:37 PM, William Stein wrote: >>> >>> OS X comes with XCode, it's just not installed. It's just XCode 4 that >>> costs $4.99. However, what happens if people install a

Re: [sage-devel] Re: has Apple effectively forked gcc?

2011-04-08 Thread William Stein
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Tim Lahey wrote: >> On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Tim Lahey wrote: >>> On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 3:37 PM, William Stein wrote: >>> >>> OS X comes with XCode, it's just not installed. It's just XCode 4 that >>> costs $4.99. However, what happens if people install a

Re: [sage-devel] Re: has Apple effectively forked gcc?

2011-04-08 Thread David Kirkby
On 8 April 2011 21:17, William Stein wrote: > On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Tim Lahey wrote: >>  Or are you just arguing that XCode is >> necessary because it's an easy way to a binary gcc. > > I don't know how to install GCC on OS X, except by installing XCode. > There is a lot more to GCC t

Re: [sage-devel] Re: has Apple effectively forked gcc?

2011-04-08 Thread Tim Lahey
> On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Tim Lahey wrote: >> On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 3:37 PM, William Stein wrote: >> >> OS X comes with XCode, it's just not installed. It's just XCode 4 that >> costs $4.99. However, what happens if people install a binary gcc? > > How? http://hpc.sourceforge.net/ > >

Re: [sage-devel] Re: has Apple effectively forked gcc?

2011-04-08 Thread William Stein
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Tim Lahey wrote: > On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 3:37 PM, William Stein wrote: > >> >> In order to use Cython on OS X, one currently needs XCode.   Cython is >> a really core feature of Sage. >> E.g., I talk about it a lot in my Sage course for undergrads [1], and >> on

Re: [sage-devel] Re: has Apple effectively forked gcc?

2011-04-08 Thread Tim Lahey
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 3:37 PM, William Stein wrote: > > In order to use Cython on OS X, one currently needs XCode.   Cython is > a really core feature of Sage. > E.g., I talk about it a lot in my Sage course for undergrads [1], and > on Wednesday I had some very confused > students in class that

Re: [sage-devel] Re: has Apple effectively forked gcc?

2011-04-08 Thread William Stein
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 12:37 PM, William Stein wrote: > On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 1:21 AM, David Kirkby wrote: >> On 7 April 2011 02:52, Felix Lawrence wrote: >>> For many people, this would make Sage no longer free - it would >>> effectively cost $5 and none of that money goes to Sage. >> >> Well,

Re: [sage-devel] Re: has Apple effectively forked gcc?

2011-04-08 Thread William Stein
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 1:21 AM, David Kirkby wrote: > On 7 April 2011 02:52, Felix Lawrence wrote: >> For many people, this would make Sage no longer free - it would >> effectively cost $5 and none of that money goes to Sage. > > Well, that's a bit of an exaggeration. We can give them a Sage bina

[sage-devel] Re: has Apple effectively forked gcc?

2011-04-08 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On Apr 9, 12:29 am, "Dr. David Kirkby" wrote: > On 04/ 8/11 12:12 PM, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > > > I did a quick testing with llvm-gcc (renaming gcc and g++ --- on > > MacOSX they are just symbolic links anyway) > > and saw Sage 4.7.alpha3 installation choking on Boehm-GC spkg. > > > So this prob

Re: [sage-combinat-devel] Re: [sage-devel] permutation groups

2011-04-08 Thread Jason B Hill
Is anyone else chiming in here planning to be in Galway next week for the De Brun workshop? I'm giving a talk related to doing such computations on more modern hardware and architectures. (I've been playing with a randomized parallel partition backtrack with C and mpi/openmp/cuda.) There was also s

Re: [sage-devel] Re: has Apple effectively forked gcc?

2011-04-08 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 04/ 8/11 12:12 PM, Dima Pasechnik wrote: I did a quick testing with llvm-gcc (renaming gcc and g++ --- on MacOSX they are just symbolic links anyway) and saw Sage 4.7.alpha3 installation choking on Boehm-GC spkg. So this probably means we'd need to upgrade this spkg at least, as it is a coupl

[sage-devel] Re: Specify patches and dependencies in description

2011-04-08 Thread Keshav Kini
Any chance you could get it working in a test installation of trac first? I guess it's not a good idea to play around with the production environment, as they say, or in this case the production trac server... -Keshav -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To un

[sage-devel] Re: Join the Sage IRC channel!

2011-04-08 Thread Keshav Kini
Well, it looks like someone has silently updated the website to point to #sagemath instead of #sagedevel. Thanks, whoever it was! As for info about the mailing lists, there seems to be a more comprehensive list at http://sagemath.org/development.html , but I don't know after that was updated af

[sage-devel] Re: has Apple effectively forked gcc?

2011-04-08 Thread Dima Pasechnik
I did a quick testing with llvm-gcc (renaming gcc and g++ --- on MacOSX they are just symbolic links anyway) and saw Sage 4.7.alpha3 installation choking on Boehm-GC spkg. So this probably means we'd need to upgrade this spkg at least, as it is a couple of years old (but it's the latest stable ver

[sage-devel] Fwd: finite complex reflection groups and matrices over the universal cyclotomic field

2011-04-08 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On Apr 8, 3:12 pm, "Nicolas M. Thiery" wrote: >         Hi Dima! > On Thu, Apr 07, 2011 at 10:55:32PM -0700, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > > > - is there a Sage implementation of permutation groups, or only the > > > gap implementation (it takes very long to go through the elements of a > > > perm

[sage-devel] Re: permutation groups

2011-04-08 Thread Dima Pasechnik
Hi Robert, On Apr 8, 2:54 pm, Robert Miller wrote: > In another thread (finite complex reflection groups and matrices over > the universal cyclotomic field), Christian wrote: > > - is there a Sage implementation of permutation groups, or only the > > gap implementation (it takes very long t

Re: [sage-devel] sage and python 2.7: migration strategies?

2011-04-08 Thread Francois Bissey
> Hi François, > > On Fri, Apr 08, 2011 at 02:08:57PM +1200, Francois Bissey wrote: > > Following an initial post by Paulo from mandriva I started > > to look at using sage with python-2.7 (2.7.1 in fact). > > The news is two fold: > > 1) sage seems to work ok. It starts. > > 2) a good deal

Re: [sage-devel] very weird error when testing a file

2011-04-08 Thread Nicolas M. Thiery
Hi Pablo! On Fri, Apr 08, 2011 at 11:17:12AM +0200, Pablo Angulo wrote: > I've found a very weird error trying to get some files pass the > automated testing: I got the same "Expected" and "Got", but the test > failed. Copy the following text to devel/sage/sage/misc/example.py: > > # -*-

Re: [sage-devel] sage and python 2.7: migration strategies?

2011-04-08 Thread Nicolas M. Thiery
Hi François, On Fri, Apr 08, 2011 at 02:08:57PM +1200, Francois Bissey wrote: > Following an initial post by Paulo from mandriva I started > to look at using sage with python-2.7 (2.7.1 in fact). > The news is two fold: > 1) sage seems to work ok. It starts. > 2) a good deal of the test s

[sage-devel] very weird error when testing a file

2011-04-08 Thread Pablo Angulo
I've found a very weird error trying to get some files pass the automated testing: I got the same "Expected" and "Got", but the test failed. Copy the following text to devel/sage/sage/misc/example.py: # -*- coding: utf-8 -* def f(text): """ EXAMPLES:: sage: from sage.misc.exampl

Re: [sage-devel] permutation groups

2011-04-08 Thread Nicolas M. Thiery
Hi Robert! On Thu, Apr 07, 2011 at 11:54:16PM -0700, Robert Miller wrote: > Tom wrote: > > Robert Miller has been hard at work implementing stabilizer chains for > > permutation groups (see #10804).  It should be fairly easy to > > enumerate iterate over the elements of a permutation group

Re: [sage-devel] Re: finite complex reflection groups and matrices over the universal cyclotomic field

2011-04-08 Thread Nicolas M. Thiery
Hi Dima! On Thu, Apr 07, 2011 at 10:55:32PM -0700, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > > - is there a Sage implementation of permutation groups, or only the > > gap implementation (it takes very long to go through the elements of a > > permutation group, even in small examples)? > Could you provide an