Re: [sage-devel] Re: FAQ suggestion: I'm a programmer, how can I contribute to Sage?

2011-01-30 Thread William Stein
On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Emil Widmann wrote: > But. > I strongly resent the comments and "spirit" of Prof. Fateman. Using > classifications like "losers" and "winners", "top producers" and "junk > submitters" he introduces very elitist terminology and patterns of > argumentation into this

Re: [sage-devel] Re: FAQ suggestion: I'm a programmer, how can I contribute to Sage?

2011-01-30 Thread daly
> > I believe there is an emerging discipline of computational > > mathematics which requires both a deep mathematical background > > and a deep programming background. Sage could make the claim > > that it is a good basis for an interdisciplinary degree or > > even a separate department that prov

[sage-devel] Re: FAQ suggestion: I'm a programmer, how can I contribute to Sage?

2011-01-30 Thread Emil Widmann
Dear sage-devel, in this thread there were some comments concerning very general aspects of human interaction and value. I am no mathematician and I am no programmer, nevertheless I feel urged to voice my opinion. A technical project in the scope of sage is also intrinsically tied to a social pro

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [jbarr at amazon.com: Sage is now running on Amazon EC2]

2011-01-30 Thread William Stein
On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Dan Drake wrote: > On Sun, 30 Jan 2011 at 12:13PM -0800, Eviatar wrote: >> Would this be a possibility for the public notebook servers, or just >> for educational purposes? > > You'd have to ask the Amazon people, but Jeff sounded pretty excited I think Jeff *is*

Re: [sage-devel] Re: FAQ suggestion: I'm a programmer, how can I contribute to Sage?

2011-01-30 Thread William Stein
On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 5:20 PM, daly wrote: > On Sun, 2011-01-30 at 13:52 -0800, William Stein wrote: >> On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 9:23 AM, daly wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> 3) I think the issue of crackpots and bad code dragging things down is >> >> not much of  a problem. The reason is that it takes

Re: [sage-devel] Re: FAQ suggestion: I'm a programmer, how can I contribute to Sage?

2011-01-30 Thread daly
On Sun, 2011-01-30 at 13:52 -0800, William Stein wrote: > On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 9:23 AM, daly wrote: > > > >> > >> 3) I think the issue of crackpots and bad code dragging things down is > >> not much of a problem. The reason is that it takes quite a bit of > >> perseverance to get code into Sag

[sage-devel] two simple reviews

2011-01-30 Thread Dan Drake
Inspired by Robert Bradshaw's link to his patchbot patches [1], I looked through my own and see two easy reviews. These both could be merged for 4.6.2: http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/10440 preparser does not correctly identify encoding lines http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/96

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [jbarr at amazon.com: Sage is now running on Amazon EC2]

2011-01-30 Thread Dan Drake
On Sun, 30 Jan 2011 at 12:13PM -0800, Eviatar wrote: > Would this be a possibility for the public notebook servers, or just > for educational purposes? You'd have to ask the Amazon people, but Jeff sounded pretty excited about getting Sage running on EC2 -- so my guess is that if you're running a

[sage-devel] Re: FAQ suggestion: I'm a programmer, how can I contribute to Sage?

2011-01-30 Thread Jonathan
Ivan, I am aware that you've been working on this. However, I have not had any time to look at it. If things go well with my classes and administrative responsibilities in the next couple of weeks I may get a chance. I am very glad you have worked on this. Jonathan On Jan 30, 3:46 pm, Ivan An

[sage-devel] Re: FAQ suggestion: I'm a programmer, how can I contribute to Sage?

2011-01-30 Thread Jonathan
Tim, Your point that the code should be well structured and documented is important for long term usefulness. However, even well documented code will not remain useful if someone does not maintain it. One of the goals of the leaders of the SAGE project should be to groom new leaders. Jonathan

Re: [sage-devel] Re: FAQ suggestion: I'm a programmer, how can I contribute to Sage?

2011-01-30 Thread William Stein
On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 9:23 AM, daly wrote: > >> >> 3) I think the issue of crackpots and bad code dragging things down is >> not much of  a problem. The reason is that it takes quite a bit of >> perseverance to get code into Sage.  My experience with my Jmol >> contributions is an example.  I wo

Re: [sage-devel] Re: FAQ suggestion: I'm a programmer, how can I contribute to Sage?

2011-01-30 Thread Ivan Andrus
On Jan 30, 2011, at 4:27 PM, Jonathan wrote: > Anyway, there > are lots of people who could use SAGE, but there are two key issues: > a) for Windows an install that runs in Windows as an application would > be nice; b) for MacOS it would be nice to have a standard .app > bundle. The key would be

[sage-devel] Re: FAQ suggestion: I'm a programmer, how can I contribute to Sage?

2011-01-30 Thread Eviatar
On Jan 29, 2:40 pm, David Kirkby wrote: > On 27 January 2011 16:49, Niles wrote: > Personally I'd like to see a more colorful web site, with a more > colorful  logo. (I seem to be in a minority of one on this I must > admit). I really like the design of the website, but the navigation needs some

[sage-devel] Re: [jbarr at amazon.com: Sage is now running on Amazon EC2]

2011-01-30 Thread Eviatar
Would this be a possibility for the public notebook servers, or just for educational purposes? -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at htt

[sage-devel] Re: Difference of performance bewteen a core i5 and core i7?

2011-01-30 Thread Volker Braun
Get the quad-core (8 virtual threads). If you want to save a few bucks, go with AMD. The i5/i7 labels are mostly useless, for example some "i7" are dual-core. -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsu

[sage-devel] Difference of performance bewteen a core i5 and core i7?

2011-01-30 Thread mmarco
We are planning to use sage for a calculus course,and got some money to buy a dedicated computer. There will be around 20 students using it simultaneously, doing mostly simple computations on it. We have offers for an intel core i5 (4 threads) and a core i7 (8 threads), both with 16 gigs of RAM).

Re: [sage-devel] Re: FAQ suggestion: I'm a programmer, how can I contribute to Sage?

2011-01-30 Thread daly
> > 3) I think the issue of crackpots and bad code dragging things down is > not much of a problem. The reason is that it takes quite a bit of > perseverance to get code into Sage. My experience with my Jmol > contributions is an example. I would not claim to be the best coder, > but think my

[sage-devel] Re: FAQ suggestion: I'm a programmer, how can I contribute to Sage?

2011-01-30 Thread Jonathan
As one of the "non-mathematicians" (as a physical chemist who teaches quantum mechanics and kinetics = nonlinear differential equations and systems of differential equations, I'm not sure that is quite the right term, but I think you get the idea), I thought I should chime in. 1) I think SAGE has

[sage-devel] Re: FAQ suggestion: I'm a programmer, how can I contribute to Sage?

2011-01-30 Thread Niles
Hello all, I'm glad we've had a chance to think about this, and I hope we keep thinking about it, but I hope we can also *take action!* The current status is this: * The sage add on Meta Stackexchange exists -- go vote for it if you want to :) http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/74983/

[sage-devel] Re: Free advertising on Stack Overflow

2011-01-30 Thread Niles
But it's not too hard to build up the 15 points necessary to vote -- I managed to do it yesterday. As I understand it, there are no restrictions on developers voting for projects they're currently involved with (that is -- go vote for sage!). One minor issue: I noticed that we have no hover text.

[sage-devel] Re: Sage "summer" school for young researchers and teachers in France

2011-01-30 Thread mmarco
¿Does it must be in France? Maybe i could organize it in Zaragoza (Northern Spain). -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.

[sage-devel] Re: post more

2011-01-30 Thread koffie
My recent work has been in to speed up a lot of modular symbols related code, especially the linear algebra it depends on. Not everything is up to standars to get it into sage but should be in the near future. > I'm also interested in the integrality question, and my own code is > pretty good at

Re: [sage-devel] post more

2011-01-30 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 9:31 PM, William Stein wrote: > Hi Sage-Devel, > > Last year in January 2010, there were 1580 messages on sage-devel. > This year, in January 2011, there have so far been only 604 messages. > > What are people working on? > > Besides writing code on top of Sage for number t

Re: [sage-devel] Re: post more

2011-01-30 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 12:54 AM, Simon King wrote: > Hi William, > > On 29 Jan., 06:31, William Stein wrote: >> Last year in January 2010, there were 1580 messages on sage-devel. >> This year, in January 2011, there have so far been only 604 messages. > > I wonder if that comes from the fact tha

Re: [sage-devel] Re: FAQ suggestion: I'm a programmer, how can I contribute to Sage?

2011-01-30 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Simon King wrote: > Hi Volker! > > On 29 Jan., 19:38, Volker Braun wrote: >> People contribute to OSS because they have a itch to scratch, not because >> they read an ad. Only people that are interested in Sage will contribute to >> Sage. You need to focus on get

Re: [sage-devel] Re: FAQ suggestion: I'm a programmer, how can I contribute to Sage?

2011-01-30 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 01/28/11 10:06 AM, koffie wrote: A real programmer could also help with spreading his knowledge of good coding practices and software design patterns in the sage community. By reading this mailing list I sometimes get the feeling we have enough smart mathematicians, but not enough battle field

Re: [sage-devel] Re: FAQ suggestion: I'm a programmer, how can I contribute to Sage?

2011-01-30 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 2:06 AM, koffie wrote: > A real programmer could also help with spreading his knowledge of good > coding practices and software design patterns in the sage community. > By reading this mailing list I sometimes get the feeling we have > enough smart mathematicians, but not e

Re: [sage-devel] [jbarr at amazon.com: Sage is now running on Amazon EC2]

2011-01-30 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 10:22 PM, Dan Drake wrote: > About nine months ago, I asked [1] about the possibility of running > parts of the notebook in Amazon EC2 instances. Here's an email I got > from someone at Amazon who did compile Sage in an EC2 instance and ran a > notebook server from there. T