[sage-devel] Re: Should tar be updated on sage.math ?

2009-11-02 Thread William Stein
Hi, I updated tar on sage.math to version 1.22 by building from source. I also updated rsync to the latest version (this was another request, offlist). William On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 3:19 PM, William Stein wrote: > On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Dr. David Kirkby > wrote: >> >> Georg S. Weber

[sage-devel] Re: new mathematics plot jmol primitive

2009-11-02 Thread Jason Grout
Jonathan wrote: > Jason, > I think this is a great idea. As I use Sage a bit in my teaching, > it would be nice to have a primitive with separate items for axes, > axes' labels, axes scale (the numbers on the axes). Then buttons > could be added to turn these on and off at the user request. I

[sage-devel] Re: nodes are chopped off when plotting graphs

2009-11-02 Thread Jason Grout
Rob Beezer wrote: > IIRC, when you make a vertex radius "too big" parts of it pass to > outside whatever boundary is used on the plot. I don't think this is > new, since my recollection is that this was the behavior early this > past summer. Anyway, I think this ticket is relevant - maybe there

[sage-devel] Re: nodes are chopped off when plotting graphs

2009-11-02 Thread Rob Beezer
IIRC, when you make a vertex radius "too big" parts of it pass to outside whatever boundary is used on the plot. I don't think this is new, since my recollection is that this was the behavior early this past summer. Anyway, I think this ticket is relevant - maybe there are others. http://trac.s

[sage-devel] Re: Polymake Status / Porta

2009-11-02 Thread mhampton
The functions in sage/geometry/polytope.py require polymake. The stuff in sage/geometry/polyhedra.py just needs cddlib, which is a standard component of sage (and why I originally got involved in Sage - I had been using Porta and wanted to switch to cddlib, and installing Sage was the easiest way

[sage-devel] Re: Polymake Status / Porta

2009-11-02 Thread Chris Swierczewski
> Well, the current polyhedra.py should work fine for that.  For > example, if you have inequalities defining a unit cube x >= 0, y>=0, > z>=0, x<=1, y<=1, z<=1, you could put them into sage as follows and > get the vertices: Interesting. I though that you needed a working install of the polymake

[sage-devel] Re: deprecation policy

2009-11-02 Thread William Stein
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: > > Peter Jeremy wrote: > I think 10 years would be best. Any less than 5 is asking for trouble. > Sure Sage > makes a new release every couple of weeks, but as we see from recent > discussions, not everyone wants to update

[sage-devel] Re: nodes are chopped off when plotting graphs

2009-11-02 Thread David Joyner
Yes, I can confirm this in mac os 10.6. It appears you can eliminate this problem using the talk=True option. On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Harald Schilly wrote: > > This problem was reported via the "report a problem" link: > > nodes are chopped off when plotting graphs > > 4.2, mac osx > > W

[sage-devel] Re: Polymake Status / Porta

2009-11-02 Thread mhampton
Well, the current polyhedra.py should work fine for that. For example, if you have inequalities defining a unit cube x >= 0, y>=0, z>=0, x<=1, y<=1, z<=1, you could put them into sage as follows and get the vertices: sage: ieqs = [[0,0,0,1],[0,0,1,0],[0,1,0,0],[1,0,0,-1],[1,0,-1,0], [1,-1,0,0]]

[sage-devel] nodes are chopped off when plotting graphs

2009-11-02 Thread Harald Schilly
This problem was reported via the "report a problem" link: nodes are chopped off when plotting graphs 4.2, mac osx When trying to plot the following graph the nodes are being chopped off (only parts of the nodes appear on the plot). Increasing the option scaling_term - as suggested in the refer

[sage-devel] Re: sage-4.2

2009-11-02 Thread William Stein
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 2:18 PM, David Kohel wrote: > > Hi, > > What is the current status of MacOS 10.6 compatibility? Sage-4.2 builds from source no problem with 10.6.1 and GCC 4.2.1 on all my test machines, and we've had no reported build failures until yours now.Some tests related to symb

[sage-devel] Re: sage-4.2

2009-11-02 Thread David Kohel
Hi, What is the current status of MacOS 10.6 compatibility? I just downloaded sage-4.2.tar to my desktop machine and compilation fails in the singular package (see below). I don't seem to have succeeded in compiling sage-4.1.2 on any MacOS 10.6 desktop although it seems to have compiled on my 10.

[sage-devel] Re: Polymake Status / Porta

2009-11-02 Thread Chris Swierczewski
Hello Marshall, > I am not aware of anything that Porta could do that cddlib cannot do. > The polyhedra.py package in geometry should be able to do all that. > Please let me know if there is something you want to do that isn't > covered by that. I mainly wanted to use Porta's "system of ineqalit

[sage-devel] Re: deprecation policy

2009-11-02 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Peter Jeremy wrote: I think 10 years would be best. Any less than 5 is asking for trouble. Sure Sage makes a new release every couple of weeks, but as we see from recent discussions, not everyone wants to update every couple of weeks. > > I think both are unrealistic for a vo

[sage-devel] Re: Polymake Status / Porta

2009-11-02 Thread mhampton
I am not aware of anything that Porta could do that cddlib cannot do. The polyhedra.py package in geometry should be able to do all that. Please let me know if there is something you want to do that isn't covered by that. Recently Volker Braun did a massive rewrite of polyhedra.py, which should m

[sage-devel] Re: Polymake Status / Porta

2009-11-02 Thread Robert Schwarz
Chris Swierczewski wrote: > Hello, > > I see that in the past there was some interest in polymake. I'm > suddenly interested as well in the package and was wondering if anyone > out there had done any work on it since the most recent discussion in > the mailing list back in June: > > http://grou

[sage-devel] Polymake Status / Porta

2009-11-02 Thread Chris Swierczewski
Hello, I see that in the past there was some interest in polymake. I'm suddenly interested as well in the package and was wondering if anyone out there had done any work on it since the most recent discussion in the mailing list back in June: http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel/browse_thre

[sage-devel] Re: deprecation policy

2009-11-02 Thread Nils Bruin
On Nov 2, 8:48 am, William Stein wrote: >   * After one year we are allowed to remove deprecated code, but we > only actually do so at major releases (e.g., 5.0, 6.0, 7.0 etc.) > Thus Sage-5.0 *will* remove deprecated code that was deprecated at > least a year ago. I think this is a very clear p

[sage-devel] Re: deprecation policy

2009-11-02 Thread Peter Jeremy
>>> I think 10 years would be best. Any less than 5 is asking for trouble. Sure >>> Sage >>> makes a new release every couple of weeks, but as we see from recent >>> discussions, not everyone wants to update every couple of weeks. I think both are unrealistic for a volunteer project. Instead of

[sage-devel] Re: PPA for Sage in Ubuntu

2009-11-02 Thread Jason Grout
Ondrej Certik wrote: > On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Jason Grout > wrote: >> Ondrej Certik wrote: >> >>> I solve this problem by using gmail, filtering all messages into the >>> "sage" label (folder) and then when I want to check threads, which I >>> am involved in, I click on the "sent emails

[sage-devel] Re: Sage registered trademark

2009-11-02 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Nov 1, 2009, at 12:49 PM, John Cremona wrote: > > 2009/11/1 Simon King : >> >> Hi! >> >> On 1 Nov., 19:30, John Cremona wrote: >> [...] >>> Is this really becoming a thread about changing the name from Sage >>> to >>> something quite different? I hope not. >> >> Why not? Would you prefer b

[sage-devel] Re: A notebook frontend for (secondary) school

2009-11-02 Thread Vincent D
It seems that a: {{{ from sage.server.all import * }}} resolves the plotting problem. I updated the patch (still the same adress http://iml.univ-mrs.fr/~delecroi/lycee-vd.patch) Now, an other problem arises. Maxima starts to polluate the RAM (arround 20% of my 1G) and goes in a loop during appr

[sage-devel] Re: deprecation policy

2009-11-02 Thread William Stein
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 6:48 AM, Jason Grout wrote: > > William Stein wrote: >> On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 11:09 PM, Stan Schymanski wrote: >>> I would love to have a script that converts old names in a whole >>> worksheet to new names. Every time someone deprecates an old name, he >>> could add the

[sage-devel] Re: A notebook frontend for (secondary) school

2009-11-02 Thread Rob Beezer
On Nov 2, 2:42 am, Vincent Delecroix <20100.delecr...@gmail.com> wrote: > As it > concerns the code and not the usage of Sage I wrote here and not in > sage-support... perhaps a mistake ? No, I think this is exactly the right place to ask your question about the import statements. I just don't h

[sage-devel] Re: deprecation policy

2009-11-02 Thread Jason Grout
William Stein wrote: > On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 11:09 PM, Stan Schymanski wrote: >> I would love to have a script that converts old names in a whole >> worksheet to new names. Every time someone deprecates an old name, he >> could add the relevant line to the script. >> >> Would that be possible? W

[sage-devel] Re: Sage registered trademark

2009-11-02 Thread TimDaly
On Nov 2, 4:15 am, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > > We will not be changing the name to MathTor. > > >  -- William > > Has someone already bothered to ask the people at one of the following > sites whether they intend to sue Sage (at sagemath.org) or rather its > leader in the future? > >    http://sag

[sage-devel] Re: Maxima fails to build with ECL on Cygwin

2009-11-02 Thread Martin Rubey
I would like to "announce" that thanks to Juanjo, FriCAS now builds "out of the box" with ecl under cygwin, so I suspect that maxima should do so, too. Martin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe

[sage-devel] Should trac has a 'report upstream' pull-down?

2009-11-02 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
It's clear that Sage, unlike most other projects, makes extensive use of software not written by Sage developers. As such, when bugs are found in that software, they should ideally be reported upstream. I would suggest a pull-down on the track where one could select from 1) N/A - Not an upstre

[sage-devel] Re: deprecation policy

2009-11-02 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
slabbe wrote: > Hi, > >> To me, a year is FAR too short. Mathematica makes a major release about once >> every two years, and a semi-major one every 6-12 months. There are plenty of >> people using older versions of that. If Sage wants to make a viable >> alternative >> to Mathematica, it needs

[sage-devel] Re: deprecation policy

2009-11-02 Thread slabbe
Hi, > To me, a year is FAR too short. Mathematica makes a major release about once > every two years, and a semi-major one every 6-12 months. There are plenty of > people using older versions of that. If Sage wants to make a viable > alternative > to Mathematica, it needs to keep deprecated func

[sage-devel] Re: Unladen Swallow Relesae2009Q3

2009-11-02 Thread javier
Hi William, hi all. I have been doing some more testing during the weekend. The results were inconclusive in my office desktop so I re-ran everything on my Macbook (OS X 10.4.11, 32 bit). Sage 4.2 with unladen swallow: The following tests failed: sage -t "devel/sage/sage/modules/vecto

[sage-devel] Re: problem compiling polybori (sage-4.2)[solved]

2009-11-02 Thread Martin Albrecht
> The sage Makefile or more precisely "deps", for polybori it reads: > $(INST)/$(POLYBORI): $(BASE) $(INST)/$(PYTHON) $(INST)/$(SCONS) > $(INST)/$(BOOST_CROPPED) > $(SAGE_SPKG) $(POLYBORI) 2>&1 > > $(LIBM4RI) is pulled as a dependency of $(SAGE) after $(POLYBORI). > So in sage polybori will

[sage-devel] Re: A notebook frontend for (secondary) school

2009-11-02 Thread Vincent Delecroix
Thanks Rob for the suggestion, I opened a thread: http://groups.google.com/group/sage-edu/browse_thread/thread/d017d3973e9a7a2a The reason why I choose to post here is because I need help on what MUST be imported in the global namespace. At the current stage, the plot function pops up instead of

[sage-devel] Re: Problem when generating keys with certtool .

2009-11-02 Thread Thierry Dumont
I apologize for this post... it took a *very* long time... but at the end, after some *minutes* I got a certificate... t.d. Thierry Dumont a écrit : > Hi, > > With sage-4.1 , sagenb-0.4 on a debian amd 64 Lenny, I cannot make > certtool generate certificates. > > Sage launches certtool with argu

[sage-devel] Re: Sage registered trademark

2009-11-02 Thread Ralf Hemmecke
> We will not be changing the name to MathTor. > > -- William Has someone already bothered to ask the people at one of the following sites whether they intend to sue Sage (at sagemath.org) or rather its leader in the future? http://sage.com/ http://www.sagefinancial.co.uk/ http://ww

[sage-devel] Problem when generating keys with certtool .

2009-11-02 Thread Thierry Dumont
Hi, With sage-4.1 , sagenb-0.4 on a debian amd 64 Lenny, I cannot make certtool generate certificates. Sage launches certtool with arguments: --generate-privkey --outfile /scratch/sage/.sage/dsage/cacert.pem (/scratch/sage is the home directory) and this command never finishes. I try bin hand: