[sage-devel] Re: [sage-windows] progress on cygwin port!

2009-10-24 Thread Ondrej Certik
On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 4:11 PM, William Stein wrote: > > Hi, > > I was reading through the Cygwin User's Guide today and decided to try > again to try to get Sage to startup on Cygwin.  I took my 4.1 build > (see http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/6743 for links to > tickets and patches n

[sage-devel] Re: sage-4.2

2009-10-24 Thread William Stein
On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 11:15 PM, William Stein wrote: > Hello, > > Mike Hansen and I have released sage-4.2. > > You can download the source here: > http://sage.math.washington.edu/sage/src/sage-4.2.tar > Binaries, official announcements, etc., will follow in a few days. > > You can also upgrade

Re: [sage-windows] Re: [sage-devel] Re: progress on cygwin port!

2009-10-24 Thread William Stein
On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Robert Bradshaw wrote: > > On Oct 24, 2009, at 7:30 PM, William Stein wrote: > >> On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 4:11 PM, William Stein >> wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I was reading through the Cygwin User's Guide today and decided to >>> try >>> again to try to get Sage to s

[sage-devel] sage-4.2

2009-10-24 Thread William Stein
Hello, Mike Hansen and I have released sage-4.2. You can download the source here: http://sage.math.washington.edu/sage/src/sage-4.2.tar Binaries, official announcements, etc., will follow in a few days. You can also upgrade with "sage -upgrade http://sagemath.org/packages"; (the url is only ne

[sage-devel] Re: PPA for Sage in Ubuntu

2009-10-24 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Oct 24, 2009, at 6:08 PM, Dan Drake wrote: > On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 at 11:50AM -0700, William Stein wrote: >> I don't know what PPA package means, but if we provide our own >> repository, then certainly we can make a monolithic package as >> described above. Moreover, there are genuine advantage

[sage-devel] Re: What about Sage Conservative version?

2009-10-24 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Oct 24, 2009, at 7:10 PM, Jason Grout wrote: > mhampton wrote: > >> One thing that was mentioned on another thread is that the version >> number for sage-4.1.2 was quite misleading. It would help a lot if >> the version numbers were more grounded in reality. One simple change >> might be to

[sage-devel] Re: progress on cygwin port!

2009-10-24 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Oct 24, 2009, at 7:30 PM, William Stein wrote: > On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 4:11 PM, William Stein > wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I was reading through the Cygwin User's Guide today and decided to >> try >> again to try to get Sage to startup on Cygwin. I took my 4.1 build >> (see http://trac.sagema

[sage-devel] Re: What about Sage Conservative version?

2009-10-24 Thread Timothy Clemans
+1 this is a very good idea On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Jason Grout wrote: > > mhampton wrote: > >> >> One thing that was mentioned on another thread is that the version >> number for sage-4.1.2 was quite misleading.  It would help a lot if >> the version numbers were more grounded in reali

[sage-devel] Re: Building Maxima (on ECL) on Itanium

2009-10-24 Thread William Stein
On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Robert Dodier wrote: > On 10/24/09, William Stein wrote: > >> I can't get Maxima--5.19.1 to build on Itanium on top of ECL.   The >> build fails with: >> >> ... >> ;;; Emitting code for DO-MERGE-SYMM. >> ;;; Emitting code for DO-MERGE-ASYM.

[sage-devel] Re: progress on cygwin port!

2009-10-24 Thread William Stein
On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 4:11 PM, William Stein wrote: > Hi, > > I was reading through the Cygwin User's Guide today and decided to try > again to try to get Sage to startup on Cygwin.  I took my 4.1 build > (see http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/6743 for links to > tickets and patches nee

[sage-devel] Re: What about Sage Conservative version?

2009-10-24 Thread Jason Grout
mhampton wrote: > > One thing that was mentioned on another thread is that the version > number for sage-4.1.2 was quite misleading. It would help a lot if > the version numbers were more grounded in reality. One simple change > might be to not pick the version number until a final release has

[sage-devel] Re: What about Sage Conservative version?

2009-10-24 Thread mhampton
I agree. I think there are a number of people who feel this way and to some extent have been ignored. Of course this is partly because of the volunteer effort issue - if this is important than people need to volunteer to work on it. One thing that was mentioned on another thread is that the ver

[sage-devel] Re: PPA for Sage in Ubuntu

2009-10-24 Thread Dan Drake
On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 at 11:50AM -0700, William Stein wrote: > I don't know what PPA package means, but if we provide our own > repository, then certainly we can make a monolithic package as > described above. Moreover, there are genuine advantages, in that the > Debian package system will search th

[sage-devel] Re: Nonabelian group of order 12

2009-10-24 Thread David Joyner
I gave it a positive review. On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Rob Beezer wrote: > > There's an implementation of the dicyclic groups up now at > > http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/7244 > > Rob > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send an

[sage-devel] Re: sagemath infrastructure scheduled downtime

2009-10-24 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 2009-Oct-20 20:42:40 -0700, William Stein wrote: >My remark about not hosting a FreeBSD virtual machine was inspired by >Peter's remark that "Unfortunately, FreeBSD support in VirtualBox >is still a work-in-progress and isn't production-ready." I don't know >if that is really true though given

[sage-devel] What about Sage Conservative version?

2009-10-24 Thread Maurizio
Hi all, let me share with you some thoughts. I know that this community likes a lot the strategy "release soon, release often"; I tend to like this as well. What I don't like, altogether, is the chance to have once in a while a quite buggy release on our way, which is, in my opinion, not unlikely

[sage-devel] Re: Darwin versions supported on sage - what does config.h show?

2009-10-24 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Robert Bradshaw wrote: > On Oct 24, 2009, at 10:36 AM, Dr David Kirkby wrote: >> Personally, I can not see anything wrong with adding it to the >> configure script. One could add >> >> "If you only intend building Sage for use on your own computer, you >> can safely ignore this warning." > > Irr

[sage-devel] progress on cygwin port!

2009-10-24 Thread William Stein
Hi, I was reading through the Cygwin User's Guide today and decided to try again to try to get Sage to startup on Cygwin. I took my 4.1 build (see http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/6743 for links to tickets and patches needed to get this to build), and was able to get it start up (finall

[sage-devel] Re: new virtualbox image!

2009-10-24 Thread Rob Beezer
Instead of stripping Ubuntu, what about building up a minimal Debian? Any command-line skills used in development work would transfer over to a more-desktop oriented distribution based in Debian, such as Ubuntu. The "testing" distribution of Debian, despite the name, has always worked well for me

[sage-devel] Re: Darwin versions supported on sage - what does config.h show?

2009-10-24 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Oct 24, 2009, at 10:36 AM, Dr David Kirkby wrote: > On Oct 24, 5:52 pm, Robert Bradshaw > wrote: >> On Oct 23, 2009, at 8:30 AM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: >> >> >> >>> Georg S. Weber wrote: Hi, >> for the record, the (above mentioned) Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wi

[sage-devel] Re: virtualbox speed

2009-10-24 Thread Gonzalo Tornaria
On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:41 PM, Ondrej Certik wrote: > On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Ondrej Certik wrote: >> Interesting. Do you have some notes about your KVM setup? I want to >> try it as well, as the ubuntu guys seem to prefer it over virtualbox: I'm using kvm directly (not libvirt / vi

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.2.alpha1 released

2009-10-24 Thread mhampton
All tests passed on my somewhat flaky AMD Turion TL-50 laptop, on Ubuntu 9.04. -Marshall On Oct 23, 5:14 am, Mike Hansen wrote: > Hello all, > > Sage 4.2.alpha1 is out.  Source and binary areavailable at > > http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/mhansen/release/4.2/alpha1/sage-...http://sage.mat

[sage-devel] Re: PPA for Sage in Ubuntu

2009-10-24 Thread William Stein
On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Jan Groenewald wrote: > > Hi > > On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 11:30:46AM -0500, Jason Grout wrote: >> @debian experts: Is it easy to make a PPA package for Sage and put it on >> launchpad? > > @debian experts: > > Does a PPA package have to follow debian rules, or can

[sage-devel] Re: PPA for Sage in Ubuntu

2009-10-24 Thread Jan Groenewald
Hi On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 11:30:46AM -0500, Jason Grout wrote: > @debian experts: Is it easy to make a PPA package for Sage and put it on > launchpad? @debian experts: Does a PPA package have to follow debian rules, or can it be something like a binary deb from checkinstall which prepares th

[sage-devel] Re: Building Maxima (on ECL) on Itanium

2009-10-24 Thread Robert Dodier
On 10/24/09, William Stein wrote: > I can't get Maxima--5.19.1 to build on Itanium on top of ECL. The > build fails with: > > ... > ;;; Emitting code for DO-MERGE-SYMM. > ;;; Emitting code for DO-MERGE-ASYM. > ;;; Internal error: # > ; - Loading binary file "binary-ec

[sage-devel] Re: Darwin versions supported on sage - what does config.h show?

2009-10-24 Thread Dr David Kirkby
On Oct 24, 5:52 pm, Robert Bradshaw wrote: > On Oct 23, 2009, at 8:30 AM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: > > > > > Georg S. Weber wrote: > >> Hi, > > >> for the record, the (above mentioned) Wikipedia article: > >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_%28operating_system%29 > >> seems to be quite close

[sage-devel] Re: Graphical Physics Program Suggestions

2009-10-24 Thread brandon.bar...@gmail.com
On Sep 22, 6:25 pm, Tom Boothby wrote: > I spent a while thinking that I was going to be a mechanical engineer, > and took a few of the ME intro courses.  Engineering statics and > dynamics can be phrased entirely in terms of linear algebra, though > the courses I took didn't present them as su

[sage-devel] Re: Darwin versions supported on sage - what does config.h show?

2009-10-24 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Oct 23, 2009, at 8:30 AM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: > Georg S. Weber wrote: >> Hi, >> >> for the record, the (above mentioned) Wikipedia article: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_%28operating_system%29 >> seems to be quite close to the truth; >> on MacPPC OS X 10.4.11 "uname -r" gives me:

[sage-devel] PPA for Sage in Ubuntu

2009-10-24 Thread Jason Grout
The IRC logs show a recent conversation (again) about Sage packaging for Ubuntu. We all know it would be a massive amount of work to update things, which almost no one knows how to do. @debian experts: Is it easy to make a PPA package for Sage and put it on launchpad? We tell people it's eas

[sage-devel] Re: new virtualbox image!

2009-10-24 Thread Jason Grout
Maurizio wrote: >> I have been wondering whether we should start over and create a >> (fairly minimal) ubuntu 9.10 install using squashfs and unionfs? What >> do you think? There are a lot of good ideas in the approach of Puppy >> Linux... but that doesn't mean we actually have to use it in the

[sage-devel] Should Sage pre-pend $SAGE_ROOT/local/lib to existing LD_LIBRARY_PATH?

2009-10-24 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Something Peter Jeremy said on sage-devel cause me to check what libraries the libraries in Sage where opening. My LD_LIBRARY_PATH was set to /usr/local/lib before running Sage. drkir...@swan:[~] $ cd /export/home/drkirkby/sage-4.1.2.rc2 Set up the Sage environment: drkir...@swan:[~/sage-4.1

[sage-devel] Re: Nonabelian group of order 12

2009-10-24 Thread David Joyner
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 1:35 AM, Rob Beezer wrote: > > Hi David, > > Thanks for the comments.  The "Quaternion Group" Wikipedia page seems > to differ substantially with the "Dicyclic Group" page: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dicyclic_group > > which says: > > "More generally, when n is a pow

[sage-devel] Re: new virtualbox image!

2009-10-24 Thread MaxTheMouse
On Oct 24, 11:38 am, Maurizio wrote: > > I have been wondering whether we should start over and create a > > (fairly minimal) ubuntu 9.10 install using squashfs and unionfs?  What > > do you think?  There are a lot of good ideas in the approach of Puppy > > Linux... but that doesn't mean we act

[sage-devel] Re: subs() shows a behaviour that should be impossible by Python syntax

2009-10-24 Thread Simon King
Hi Martin! On Oct 24, 9:52 am, Martin Albrecht wrote: > sage: p.subs(**{'x2':x2}) > -7/2*x1*x2 + 1/2*x2^2 - x0*x3 + 1/165*x1 + 3 > > Note the two stars. The reason why the subs function accepts a dictionary is > that its signature is: > >     p.subs(self, fixed, **kw=None) > > i.e. it also accep

[sage-devel] Re: Operating systems too old or too new.

2009-10-24 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Peter Jeremy wrote: > On 2009-Oct-23 00:45:00 +0100, "Dr. David Kirkby" > wrote: >> I had changed the wording somewhat anyway, but I would admit I had not >> considered other applications. > > I suspect that most potential users won't be able to dedicate a host to > Sage - especially if they a

[sage-devel] Re: new virtualbox image!

2009-10-24 Thread Maurizio
> I have been wondering whether we should start over and create a > (fairly minimal) ubuntu 9.10 install using squashfs and unionfs?  What > do you think?  There are a lot of good ideas in the approach of Puppy > Linux... but that doesn't mean we actually have to use it in the long > run. > > I wo

[sage-devel] Re: subs() shows a behaviour that should be impossible by Python syntax

2009-10-24 Thread Martin Albrecht
> Isn't it the case that actually p.subs(x2=x2) is *equivalent* to p.subs > ({'x2':x2}) in Python? No, this isn't the same in Python. You are looking for: sage: R.=QQ[] sage: S = QQ['x0,x1,x2,x3'] sage: p=S.random_element() sage: p.subs(x2=x2) and sage: p.subs(**{'x2':x2}) -7/2*x1*x2 + 1/2*x2^

[sage-devel] subs() shows a behaviour that should be impossible by Python syntax

2009-10-24 Thread Simon King
Hi! At http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support/browse_thread/thread/38dfa72aff118470 David Madore asked a question about substitution. While I tried to answer it, I found the following behaviour of subs() that, to my knowledge, is technically impossible, given how keyword arguments are pass

[sage-devel] Re: Building Maxima (on ECL) on Itanium

2009-10-24 Thread Juan Jose Garcia-Ripoll
An error happens while compiling clmacs: ;;; Emitting code for DO-MERGE-SYMM. ;;; Emitting code for DO-MERGE-ASYM. ;;; Internal error: # ; - Binary file binary-ecl/clmacs.fas is old or does not exist. ;Compile (and load) source file /home/wstein/screen/cleo/build/sage-4.2.alpha1/spkg