[sage-devel] Re: sage releases

2009-10-13 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:43 PM, Craig Citro wrote: > >>> And, let's be honest, no >>> release cycle is really going to be much shorter than that. >> >> Are you sure?   I personally did 100% of the releases for 3 years with >> an average of 1-week for the release cycle. >> > > Who knows -- maybe

[sage-devel] Re: sage releases

2009-10-13 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Oct 13, 2009, at 10:43 PM, Craig Citro wrote: > >>> And, let's be honest, no >>> release cycle is really going to be much shorter than that. >> >> Are you sure? I personally did 100% of the releases for 3 years >> with >> an average of 1-week for the release cycle. >> > > Who knows -- mayb

[sage-devel] Re: Sage at the joint meetings in San Francisco

2009-10-13 Thread Rob Beezer
Marshall, Limited Googling got me: http://www.sheet-labels.com/printing/ $35 for 500 stickers at 1" x 0.625" which was the smallest I could find. Lots of options - rounded corners, different sizes, etc. Rob On Oct 13, 7:07 pm, Marshall Hampton wrote: > I like the sticker idea too.  I'm not

[sage-devel] Re: sage releases

2009-10-13 Thread Craig Citro
>> And, let's be honest, no >> release cycle is really going to be much shorter than that. > > Are you sure?   I personally did 100% of the releases for 3 years with > an average of 1-week for the release cycle. > Who knows -- maybe I'm wrong? Do you want to test it? Try doing sage-4.2 in a week.

[sage-devel] Re: sage releases

2009-10-13 Thread Rob Beezer
It's been discussed before, but maybe it is relevant for this discussion. Realize I have zero experience with release management and an incomplete understanding of everything involved, so take this for what it is worth. I wonder if the "lieutenant" model used by Linux kernel development might be

[sage-devel] Re: sage releases

2009-10-13 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Oct 13, 2009, at 9:30 PM, William Stein wrote: > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:14 PM, Robert Bradshaw > wrote: >> I was just about to compose a long email on this thread, but you've >> essentially hit every point I wanted to make. In fact, I see no >> advantage for long release cycles at all--it'

[sage-devel] Re: sage releases

2009-10-13 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Craig Citro wrote: > >> The question is what, exactly, makes actually >> getting releases out so difficult? Is most of the time spent getting >> things working on uncommon (presumably little-tested) systems? Are the >> obstructions typically due to patches that we

[sage-devel] Re: sage, sage-sage, sage-env and the like

2009-10-13 Thread Craig Citro
> I wonder if it would also be good to archive bdists for one specific > Linux release, e.g., 32-bit x86 Ubuntu 8.04 LTS? Since then one can > easily get a virtual machine and drop our binary in it. > I think this would be a really good idea -- tar xjf on sage.math is a *much* lower barrier to te

[sage-devel] Re: sage releases

2009-10-13 Thread Craig Citro
> The question is what, exactly, makes actually > getting releases out so difficult? Is most of the time spent getting > things working on uncommon (presumably little-tested) systems? Are the > obstructions typically due to patches that were not actually ready to > go in (despite positive reviews)

[sage-devel] Re: sage releases

2009-10-13 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:14 PM, Robert Bradshaw wrote: > I was just about to compose a long email on this thread, but you've > essentially hit every point I wanted to make. In fact, I see no > advantage for long release cycles at all--it's more work for the > release manager, and it's not like u

[sage-devel] Re: Fixing or eliminating a ticket

2009-10-13 Thread Minh Nguyen
Hi Luis, On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:33 PM, louie wrote: > > I volunteered to translate some of the docs to Spanish and my first > uploaded file "A Tour of Sage" was a failure since later I learned by > mvngu that the acronym SAGE has been abandoned and which I used > generously. This happens a

[sage-devel] Re: sage releases

2009-10-13 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Oct 13, 2009, at 8:09 PM, Jason Grout wrote: > Dr. David Kirkby wrote: > >> >> I know we have had this discussion before, but I do not seem to be >> alone >> on my views on this one. >> >> It is not clear to me there needs to be very frequent releases. I >> know >> you say Apple itunes bri

[sage-devel] libm4ri issues with non-GNU/x86 environments.

2009-10-13 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
libm4ri has two issues that I am aware of as soon as one tries to use a non-GNU or non-86 environment. I believe the developers hang out here, so I'll put a bit of information here, on the hope they see it. 1) Despite the fact Sun's C compiler can compile thousands of lines of Sage without a

[sage-devel] Re: sage-4.1.2.rc2

2009-10-13 Thread Dan Drake
On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 at 07:38PM -0700, William Stein wrote: > That's weird because I tested on Ubuntu 9.04 (and 8.04) 64-bit and > don't have this problem. Hmm... It makes me evily miss the days of > "any input with random in it has output not checked". > > Can you open a ticket? I don't think th

[sage-devel] Re: sage releases

2009-10-13 Thread Marshall Hampton
I mostly agree. 2 months is acceptable. 6 months seems too long for all the reaons Jason articulated. -Marshall On Oct 13, 10:09 pm, Jason Grout wrote: > As it is, there is a semi-major research code contribution I plan to > make before Christmas that will be needed at a workshop in January,

[sage-devel] Re: Fixing or eliminating a ticket

2009-10-13 Thread louie
On Oct 13, 8:47 pm, William Stein wrote: > I'm not sure.  Where is all this??? Oops, I forgot to mention the Trac, under ticket #7192 Thanks, professor. - Luis V. - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To u

[sage-devel] Re: sagenb.org -- what's going on?

2009-10-13 Thread Jason Grout
William Stein wrote: >>> >>> Do you see any pattern in the access logs for IP addresses? >> Yes, they are all 192.168.1.1. :-) Everything is proxied through > I was trying to figure out what happened and realized today I had run > the migration script to migrate to the new notebook format. It

[sage-devel] Re: sage-4.1.2.rc2

2009-10-13 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 7:43 PM, John H Palmieri wrote: > > On Oct 13, 7:22 pm, William Stein wrote: >> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 7:13 PM, John H Palmieri >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Oct 13, 8:38 am, William Stein wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> >> This is a release candidate for Sage-4.1.2:

[sage-devel] Re: sage releases

2009-10-13 Thread Jason Grout
Dr. David Kirkby wrote: > > I know we have had this discussion before, but I do not seem to be alone > on my views on this one. > > It is not clear to me there needs to be very frequent releases. I know > you say Apple itunes brings out a new release every couple of weeks, but > this is quit

[sage-devel] Re: sagenb.org -- what's going on?

2009-10-13 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 1:57 PM, William Stein wrote: > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Jason Grout > wrote: >> >> William Stein wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> So there have been over *5000* new user accounts created on >>> http://sagenb.org just this morning.  The number of users has >>> increased dra

[sage-devel] Re: sage releases

2009-10-13 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
William Stein wrote: > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 7:09 PM, William Stein wrote: >> Wow, it has been a full 2 months since a Sage release. >> How do I find source code for old releases of SAGE!? > > The reason I was looking is because it has been exactly 2 months since > the last Sage release, to t

[sage-devel] Re: sage-4.1.2.rc2

2009-10-13 Thread John H Palmieri
On Oct 13, 7:22 pm, William Stein wrote: > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 7:13 PM, John H Palmieri > wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Oct 13, 8:38 am, William Stein wrote: > >> Hi, > > >> This is a release candidate for Sage-4.1.2: > > >>http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/wstein/farm/src/sage-4.1.2.rc2.

[sage-devel] Re: sage, sage-sage, sage-env and the like

2009-10-13 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 7:25 PM, Marshall Hampton wrote: > > >> >> In many talks, etc., I have made a big stink about how every released >> version of Sage is available, so if a paper uses sage-x.y.z, then it >> is possible to get sage-x.y.z and try out the computation (unlike the >> situation wi

[sage-devel] Re: sage-4.1.2.rc2

2009-10-13 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 7:31 PM, Dan Drake wrote: > On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 at 08:38AM -0700, William Stein wrote: >> This is a release candidate for Sage-4.1.2: >> >> http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/wstein/farm/src/sage-4.1.2.rc2.tar > > Built fine on Ubuntu 9.04 amd64, but doctesting has one r

[sage-devel] Re: spkg-install's [was Re: Using a random number generator to tell the time!]

2009-10-13 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Robert Bradshaw wrote: > > On Oct 13, 2009, at 6:45 PM, William Stein wrote: > >> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 6:38 PM, Robert Bradshaw >> wrote: This thread is mainly about Gonzalo's proposal that we target something like busybox (or my suggestion "python")

[sage-devel] Re: sage-4.1.2.rc2

2009-10-13 Thread Dan Drake
On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 at 08:38AM -0700, William Stein wrote: > This is a release candidate for Sage-4.1.2: > > http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/wstein/farm/src/sage-4.1.2.rc2.tar Built fine on Ubuntu 9.04 amd64, but doctesting has one repeatable failure: dr...@sagenb:~/s/sage-4.1.2.rc2$ ./sa

[sage-devel] Re: sage, sage-sage, sage-env and the like

2009-10-13 Thread Marshall Hampton
> > In many talks, etc., I have made a big stink about how every released > version of Sage is available, so if a paper uses sage-x.y.z, then it > is possible to get sage-x.y.z and try out the computation (unlike the > situation with magma, say).So I think making the old source easy > to find

[sage-devel] Re: spkg-install's [was Re: Using a random number generator to tell the time!]

2009-10-13 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Oct 13, 2009, at 6:45 PM, William Stein wrote: > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 6:38 PM, Robert Bradshaw > wrote: >>> This thread is mainly about Gonzalo's proposal that we target >>> something like busybox (or my suggestion "python") instead of POSIX >>> standard shell usage. Somehow it is amazing

[sage-devel] Re: sage-4.1.2.rc2

2009-10-13 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 7:13 PM, John H Palmieri wrote: > > On Oct 13, 8:38 am, William Stein wrote: >> Hi, >> >> This is a release candidate for Sage-4.1.2: >> >> http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/wstein/farm/src/sage-4.1.2.rc2.tar >> >> If nobody finds any serious problems with it, somethin

[sage-devel] sage releases

2009-10-13 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 7:09 PM, William Stein wrote: > Wow, it has been a full 2 months since a Sage release. > How do I find source code for old releases of SAGE!? The reason I was looking is because it has been exactly 2 months since the last Sage release, to the day. According to http://s

[sage-devel] Re: sage-4.1.2.rc2

2009-10-13 Thread John H Palmieri
On Oct 13, 8:38 am, William Stein wrote: > Hi, > > This is a release candidate for Sage-4.1.2: > > http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/wstein/farm/src/sage-4.1.2.rc2.tar > > If nobody finds any serious problems with it, something close to it > will get released (though I'm not in a hurry). Here

[sage-devel] Re: sage, sage-sage, sage-env and the like

2009-10-13 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: > > William Stein wrote: > >>> To be honest, if we have a configure script at the top level, we might >>> as well move the stuff from prereq into it. It would look a lot more >>> 'normal' if someone see the configure script was checking for

[sage-devel] Re: Sage at the joint meetings in San Francisco

2009-10-13 Thread Marshall Hampton
I like the sticker idea too. I'm not sure how to go about making them - anyone know a good place to order custom tiny stickers? It would be cool to use the sage logo if it could be printed small & crisply. -Marshall On Oct 13, 7:21 pm, Dan Drake wrote: > On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 at 10:38PM -0700,

[sage-devel] Re: Fixing or eliminating a ticket

2009-10-13 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 6:33 PM, louie wrote: > > I volunteered to translate some of the docs to Spanish and my first > uploaded file "A Tour of Sage" was a failure since later I learned by > mvngu that the acronym SAGE has been abandoned and which I used > generously. Well I'm *sure* that does

[sage-devel] Re: spkg-install's [was Re: Using a random number generator to tell the time!]

2009-10-13 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 6:38 PM, Robert Bradshaw wrote: >> This thread is mainly about Gonzalo's proposal that we target >> something like busybox (or my suggestion "python") instead of POSIX >> standard shell usage.  Somehow it is amazingly difficult to keep this >> discussion on track! >> >> De

[sage-devel] Re: sage, sage-sage, sage-env and the like

2009-10-13 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
William Stein wrote: >> To be honest, if we have a configure script at the top level, we might >> as well move the stuff from prereq into it. It would look a lot more >> 'normal' if someone see the configure script was checking for the >> compilers, checking for perl etc. Just do not let the conf

[sage-devel] Fixing or eliminating a ticket

2009-10-13 Thread louie
I volunteered to translate some of the docs to Spanish and my first uploaded file "A Tour of Sage" was a failure since later I learned by mvngu that the acronym SAGE has been abandoned and which I used generously. Now I would like to either fix it onsite or upload again, what should I do? Next, I

[sage-devel] Re: spkg-install's [was Re: Using a random number generator to tell the time!]

2009-10-13 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Oct 13, 2009, at 6:22 PM, William Stein wrote: > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:41 AM, David Kirkby > wrote: >> >> 2009/10/13 William Stein : >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 3:53 AM, David Kirkby >>> wrote: On Oct 12, 8:27 pm, William Stein wrote: > On Mon, Oct 12, 200

[sage-devel] Re: Confusing info about threads at top of makefile

2009-10-13 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Dan Drake wrote: > On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 at 01:54AM +0100, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: >> Currently the top of the 'makefile' says: >> >> # WARNING: Unless you are certain that you want to use all the >> cores/processors >> # on your system for parallel doctesting, chan

[sage-devel] Re: spkg-install's [was Re: Using a random number generator to tell the time!]

2009-10-13 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:41 AM, David Kirkby wrote: > > 2009/10/13 William Stein : >> >> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 3:53 AM, David Kirkby wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Oct 12, 8:27 pm, William Stein wrote: On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 6:58 AM, Dr. David Kirkby >>> > Most of the problems in Sage

[sage-devel] Re: sage, sage-sage, sage-env and the like

2009-10-13 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: > > William Stein wrote: >> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Dr. David Kirkby >> wrote: >>> Ralf Hemmecke wrote: On 10/13/2009 08:36 PM, David Kirkby wrote: > 2009/10/13 Ralf Hemmecke : >> Would there be interest in the follow

[sage-devel] Re: Confusing info about threads at top of makefile

2009-10-13 Thread Dan Drake
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 at 01:54AM +0100, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: > Currently the top of the 'makefile' says: > > # WARNING: Unless you are certain that you want to use all the > cores/processors > # on your system for parallel doctesting, change the value of NUM_THREADS to > # a (sensible) positive

[sage-devel] Re: spkg-install's [was Re: Using a random number generator to tell the time!]

2009-10-13 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Oct 13, 2009, at 10:41 AM, David Kirkby wrote: > 2009/10/13 William Stein : >> >> >> That's a great argument. Unfortunately, you can make exactly the >> same >> argument with respect to asking Windows/Linux/OS X developers to >> use a >> POSIX-only environment. "Another issue to conside

[sage-devel] Re: Confusing info about threads at top of makefile

2009-10-13 Thread Minh Nguyen
Hi David, On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: > It seems to me, that the default has been set to 10, which is probably > not desirably in 99% of cases. That is entirely my fault. Sorry about the confusion. -- Regards Minh Van Nguyen --~--~-~--~~--

[sage-devel] Confusing info about threads at top of makefile

2009-10-13 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Currently the top of the 'makefile' says: # WARNING: Unless you are certain that you want to use all the cores/processors # on your system for parallel doctesting, change the value of NUM_THREADS to # a (sensible) positive integer. The default value is zero. NUM_THREADS=10 # default is zero Bu

[sage-devel] Re: sage, sage-sage, sage-env and the like

2009-10-13 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
William Stein wrote: > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Dr. David Kirkby > wrote: >> Ralf Hemmecke wrote: >>> On 10/13/2009 08:36 PM, David Kirkby wrote: 2009/10/13 Ralf Hemmecke : > Would there be interest in the following workflow for installing sage. > > a) Get the sage tarbal

[sage-devel] Re: How should we handle the case of no gcc or g++ in the path?

2009-10-13 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Oct 13, 2009, at 5:09 PM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: > The script prereq-0.3 script William wrote some time back checks the > build environment is sane. I've updated this code to prereq-0.4 > > http://sagetrac.org/sage_trac/ticket/7021 > > but there is an issue which I did not address, which I th

Re: [sage-combinat-devel] Re: [sage-devel] Categories restart: the end?

2009-10-13 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Oct 13, 2009, at 12:29 PM, Nicolas M. Thiery wrote: > > Dear Anne, Dan, William, Florent, Jason, ... > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 09:10:24AM -0700, Daniel Bump wrote: >>> The next Sage version will be 4.2. Send me a list of technical >>> patches with positive review related to categories

[sage-devel] Re: Categories restart: call for reviewers

2009-10-13 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Oct 13, 2009, at 12:34 PM, Nicolas M. Thiery wrote: > > Hi Robert, Craig, > > Any chances for you to review shortly: > > http://combinat.sagemath.org/patches/file/tip/categories-fixsagelib-nt.patch 500 - Internal Server Error - Robert --~--~-~--~~~---~--~

[sage-devel] Re: Sage at the joint meetings in San Francisco

2009-10-13 Thread Dan Drake
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 at 10:38PM -0700, Rob Beezer wrote: > I wonder if little stickers with a Sage logo might be an additional > approach. Project NExT has their colored dots, department chairs are > another colored sticker, Board of Governors have their pins, the > Budapest study abroad program ha

[sage-devel] How should we handle the case of no gcc or g++ in the path?

2009-10-13 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
The script prereq-0.3 script William wrote some time back checks the build environment is sane. I've updated this code to prereq-0.4 http://sagetrac.org/sage_trac/ticket/7021 but there is an issue which I did not address, which I think needs addressing. But I'm not sure the best way to do it.

[sage-devel] Re: Canonical DE notation

2009-10-13 Thread Jason Grout
lutusp wrote: > I'm aware there has been some discussion of this issue in the past, > but I would like to renew it. I understand that canonical DE notation > isn't on everyone's short list of high priorities, but I think > students and those with little Sage exposure would appreciate the > ability

[sage-devel] Please try to find fault with prereq-0.4, which is new to sage-4.1.2.rc2

2009-10-13 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
I spent quite a bit of time updating some code which does some preliminary checks of the Sage build. http://sagetrac.org/sage_trac/ticket/7021 William thought it was such an improvement, he made it a blocker for 4.1.2, which I must admit pleased me. I would be interested if anyone can try to

[sage-devel] Re: sage, sage-sage, sage-env and the like

2009-10-13 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: > > Ralf Hemmecke wrote: >> On 10/13/2009 08:36 PM, David Kirkby wrote: >>> 2009/10/13 Ralf Hemmecke : Would there be interest in the following workflow for installing sage. a) Get the sage tarball b) extract the tarbal

[sage-devel] Re: sage, sage-sage, sage-env and the like

2009-10-13 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > On 10/13/2009 08:36 PM, David Kirkby wrote: >> 2009/10/13 Ralf Hemmecke : >>> Would there be interest in the following workflow for installing sage. >>> >>> a) Get the sage tarball >>> b) extract the tarbal to SOMEDIR >>> c) cd SOMEDIR >>> d) configure (with or without --pre

[sage-devel] Re: Sage mentioned in Terry Tao's talk

2009-10-13 Thread ghitza
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 09:41:57AM +1000, Minh Nguyen wrote: > Terry Tao recently delivered a talk at Melbourne University, > Australia. I didn't attend the talk. Perhaps Alex Ghitza did? Anyway, > Terry has uploaded his talk slides at > > http://terrytao.wordpress.com/2009/08/27/mathematical-res

[sage-devel] Re: Patches for differential equations

2009-10-13 Thread David Joyner
I will try to look at it in the next week or so. Hopefully by this weekend. Thanks for working on it! On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:12 AM, ma...@mendelu.cz wrote: > > Hello all > > This is for developers interested in Calculus. > > Since the patch for #385 is available and seems to work for me, I

[sage-devel] Re: Canonical DE notation

2009-10-13 Thread lutusp
On Oct 13, 2:09 pm, Robert Bradshaw wrote: > I agree that this notation is nice. One issue with this approach is   > that the single quote is already used in Python. For example, > > sage: u'(x) + y' >   u'(x) + y' > > sage: type(_) >   > > sage: r'''(t)''' >   '(t)' > > How would one distingui

[sage-devel] Re: [sage-release] sage-4.1.2.rc2

2009-10-13 Thread Minh Nguyen
Hi folks, On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 2:38 AM, William Stein wrote: > > Hi, > > This is a release candidate for Sage-4.1.2: > > http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/wstein/farm/src/sage-4.1.2.rc2.tar And here's a sage.math binary: http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/mvngu/release/upgrade/sage-4.1

[sage-devel] Re: sage, sage-sage, sage-env and the like

2009-10-13 Thread Ralf Hemmecke
On 10/13/2009 08:36 PM, David Kirkby wrote: > 2009/10/13 Ralf Hemmecke : >> Would there be interest in the following workflow for installing sage. >> >> a) Get the sage tarball >> b) extract the tarbal to SOMEDIR >> c) cd SOMEDIR >> d) configure (with or without --prefix) >> e) make >> f) make ins

[sage-devel] Re: Canonical DE notation

2009-10-13 Thread Simon King
Hi! On 13 Okt., 23:09, Robert Bradshaw wrote: ... > sage: u'(x) + y' >   u'(x) + y' > > sage: type(_) >   Very good example! Since ' is used for python strings, I guess the only realistic chance is to look for different, but similar characters. For example ` (backtick) or ´ (no idea how this o

[sage-devel] trac

2009-10-13 Thread William Stein
Hi, Currently I think trac.sagemath.org is setup to use the default builtin Python webserver. This sucks performance wise. I discovered that Microsoft's MSN search engine was pounding trac.sagemath.org, and "ErwinJunge" on irc suggested we just completely block MSN (using iptables -I INPUT -s

[sage-devel] Re: sage-4.1.2.rc2

2009-10-13 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Jason Grout wrote: > > William Stein wrote: >> Hi, >> >> This is a release candidate for Sage-4.1.2: >> >> http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/wstein/farm/src/sage-4.1.2.rc2.tar >> >> If nobody finds any serious problems with it, something close to it >> will get

[sage-devel] Re: Canonical DE notation

2009-10-13 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Oct 13, 2009, at 1:24 PM, lutusp wrote: > I'm aware there has been some discussion of this issue in the past, > but I would like to renew it. I understand that canonical DE notation > isn't on everyone's short list of high priorities, but I think > students and those with little Sage exposure

[sage-devel] Re: sagenb.org -- what's going on?

2009-10-13 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Jason Grout wrote: > > William Stein wrote: >> Hi, >> >> So there have been over *5000* new user accounts created on >> http://sagenb.org just this morning.  The number of users has >> increased dramatically.   Does anybody have any idea why? >> > > > Do you see a

[sage-devel] Re: [sage-notebook] sagenb.org -- what's going on?

2009-10-13 Thread Harald Schilly
i've no idea, i have seen that for example in brazil are presentations (google docs) running that point to sagemath. so, only indirectly through referrers. it would be a big help to include the analytics code on the login page for sagenb.org .. then we know from where the users are coming (country

[sage-devel] Re: sagenb.org -- what's going on?

2009-10-13 Thread Jason Grout
William Stein wrote: > Hi, > > So there have been over *5000* new user accounts created on > http://sagenb.org just this morning. The number of users has > increased dramatically. Does anybody have any idea why? > Do you see any pattern in the access logs for IP addresses? Are all the use

[sage-devel] Re: sage-4.1.2.rc2

2009-10-13 Thread Jason Grout
William Stein wrote: > Hi, > > This is a release candidate for Sage-4.1.2: > > http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/wstein/farm/src/sage-4.1.2.rc2.tar > > If nobody finds any serious problems with it, something close to it > will get released (though I'm not in a hurry). > > KNOWN PROBLEMS: >

[sage-devel] sagenb.org -- what's going on?

2009-10-13 Thread William Stein
Hi, So there have been over *5000* new user accounts created on http://sagenb.org just this morning. The number of users has increased dramatically. Does anybody have any idea why? It's not some spambot -- I've been looking at accounts names and content, and people are doing mainly standard u

[sage-devel] Canonical DE notation

2009-10-13 Thread lutusp
I'm aware there has been some discussion of this issue in the past, but I would like to renew it. I understand that canonical DE notation isn't on everyone's short list of high priorities, but I think students and those with little Sage exposure would appreciate the ability to enter a textbook equ

[sage-devel] Re: Categories restart: call for reviewers

2009-10-13 Thread Nicolas M. Thiery
Hi Robert, Craig, Any chances for you to review shortly: http://combinat.sagemath.org/patches/file/tip/categories-fixsagelib-nt.patch Thanks! Cheers, Nicolas -- Nicolas M. Thiéry "Isil" http://Nicolas.Thiery.name/ --~--~-~--~~~-

Re: [sage-combinat-devel] Re: [sage-devel] Categories restart: the end?

2009-10-13 Thread Nicolas M. Thiery
Dear Anne, Dan, William, Florent, Jason, ... On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 09:10:24AM -0700, Daniel Bump wrote: > > The next Sage version will be 4.2. Send me a list of technical > > patches with positive review related to categories, and they can be > > the *first* to go in. I also see 4.2 a

[sage-devel] Re: sage, sage-sage, sage-env and the like

2009-10-13 Thread David Kirkby
2009/10/13 Ralf Hemmecke : > Would there be interest in the following workflow for installing sage. > > a) Get the sage tarball > b) extract the tarbal to SOMEDIR > c) cd SOMEDIR > d) configure (with or without --prefix) > e) make > f) make install I would add g) make test I must admit, I would

Re: [sage-combinat-devel] Re: [sage-devel] Categories restart: the end?

2009-10-13 Thread Daniel Bump
> Is this question addressed to me, or ? Yes. Note that the root system patch depends on the category patches, which why it came in this thread. Various other long pending patches depend on it. Dan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send an email to

[sage-devel] fastfunlib project

2009-10-13 Thread Fredrik Johansson
Hi all, I started this project: http://code.google.com/p/fastfunlib/ I'm going to implement algorithms that I originally prototyped in Python or Cython for mpmath earlier this year; I'm doing it in plain C since the code mostly involves plain GMP/MPIR calls and additional dependencies aren't rea

[sage-devel] Re: sage, sage-sage, sage-env and the like

2009-10-13 Thread Ralf Hemmecke
>> So there are three things >> 1. "sage" should be the only entry point for any non-developer. >> 2. $SAGE_ROOT/local/bin is not known to non-developers. >> 3. Inside $SAGE_ROOT/local/bin scripts can assume a proper environment. > > I think this is a good suggestion. Would there be interest in

[sage-devel] Re: spkg-install's [was Re: Using a random number generator to tell the time!]

2009-10-13 Thread David Kirkby
2009/10/13 William Stein : > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 3:53 AM, David Kirkby wrote: >> >> >> >> On Oct 12, 8:27 pm, William Stein wrote: >>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 6:58 AM, Dr. David Kirkby >> >>> > Most of the problems in Sage are not at the shell level. >>> >>> Yes, but the problems that have

[sage-devel] Re: sage, sage-sage, sage-env and the like

2009-10-13 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > >> The "hottest" repository is the one you saw. :-) > > Probably not. I am using 4.1 not yet 4.1.1. > >> The script $SAGE_ROOt/sage is not under revision control. > > :-( > > And what is http://hg.sagemath.org/scripts-main/ ??? The latest r

[sage-devel] Re: sage, sage-sage, sage-env and the like

2009-10-13 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > >>> If the logic is that the only entry point to the local/bin scripts is >>> through the "sage" shell script then why would there be ever SAGE_ROOT >>> be unset (except in evil cases where someone removes it from the >>> environment)? >> >>

Re: [sage-combinat-devel] Re: [sage-devel] Categories restart: the end?

2009-10-13 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:10 AM, Daniel Bump wrote: > > >> The next Sage version will be 4.2.  Send me a list of technical >> patches with positive review related to categories, and they can be >> the *first* to go in.  I also see 4.2 as being a relatively quick >> release (compared to the extrem

[sage-devel] Re: [sage-release] Re: sage-4.1.2.rc2

2009-10-13 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Minh Nguyen wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 2:38 AM, William Stein wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> This is a release candidate for Sage-4.1.2: >> >> http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/wstein/farm/src/sage-4.1.2.rc2.tar > > Here's an upgrade path: > > http://sage.math

[sage-devel] Re: [sage-release] sage-4.1.2.rc2

2009-10-13 Thread Minh Nguyen
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 2:38 AM, William Stein wrote: > > Hi, > > This is a release candidate for Sage-4.1.2: > > http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/wstein/farm/src/sage-4.1.2.rc2.tar Here's an upgrade path: http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/mvngu/release/upgrade/sage-4.1.2.rc2/ -- Regar

[sage-devel] Re: sage, sage-sage, sage-env and the like

2009-10-13 Thread Ralf Hemmecke
> The "hottest" repository is the one you saw. :-) Probably not. I am using 4.1 not yet 4.1.1. > The script $SAGE_ROOt/sage is not under revision control. :-( And what is http://hg.sagemath.org/scripts-main/ ??? Looks at least a bit more up-to-date than my .hg. Is that the hottest? Ralf --~

Re: [sage-combinat-devel] Re: [sage-devel] Categories restart: the end?

2009-10-13 Thread Daniel Bump
> The next Sage version will be 4.2. Send me a list of technical > patches with positive review related to categories, and they can be > the *first* to go in. I also see 4.2 as being a relatively quick > release (compared to the extremely long 4.1.2). Is it possible to conjecture a timetable f

[sage-devel] Re: sage, sage-sage, sage-env and the like

2009-10-13 Thread Ralf Hemmecke
>> If the logic is that the only entry point to the local/bin scripts is >> through the "sage" shell script then why would there be ever SAGE_ROOT >> be unset (except in evil cases where someone removes it from the >> environment)? > > That is definitely not the case. OK. But then I would sugges

[sage-devel] sage-4.1.2.rc2

2009-10-13 Thread William Stein
Hi, This is a release candidate for Sage-4.1.2: http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/wstein/farm/src/sage-4.1.2.rc2.tar If nobody finds any serious problems with it, something close to it will get released (though I'm not in a hurry). KNOWN PROBLEMS: * doesn't work on itanium at all (we'll

[sage-devel] Re: alpha.sagenb.org

2009-10-13 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 8:37 AM, Tim Joseph Dumol wrote: > The readline problem can be worked around by copying the system version of > libreadline to $SAGE_ROOT$/local/lib/. Well, at least it worked on my > machine. Thanks. I'm trying rebuilding singular and readline to see what the real cause

[sage-devel] Re: alpha.sagenb.org

2009-10-13 Thread Tim Joseph Dumol
The readline problem can be worked around by copying the system version of libreadline to $SAGE_ROOT$/local/lib/. Well, at least it worked on my machine. On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Jason Grout wrote: > > William Stein wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Jason Grout > > wrote: > >>

[sage-devel] Re: spkg-install's [was Re: Using a random number generator to tell the time!]

2009-10-13 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 3:53 AM, David Kirkby wrote: > > > > On Oct 12, 8:27 pm, William Stein wrote: >> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 6:58 AM, Dr. David Kirkby > >> > Most of the problems in Sage are not at the shell level. >> >> Yes, but the problems that have been discussed so far in this thread >>

[sage-devel] Re: Instruction sets issue for SAGe 4.1.1 Linux binaries

2009-10-13 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 4:16 AM, David Kirkby wrote: > > > > On Oct 13, 9:28 am, Christian Hilberg wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I'm experiencing instruction set issues with the SAGe Linux i686 >> binary tarball from >> >> http://mirror.switch.ch/mirror/sagemath/linux/32bit/\ >> sage-4.1.1-linux-Debian_GN

[sage-devel] Re: alpha.sagenb.org

2009-10-13 Thread William Stein
>> Can you please kill your build.  I'm sure whatever problem happened with >> readline (or whatever) can be easily fixed. >> > > > Actually, it died on its own, apparently: No worries -- I actually got impatient and killed it. William > > > > mv -f .deps/sig-check.Tpo .deps/sig-check.Plo > /bi

[sage-devel] Re: Patches for differential equations

2009-10-13 Thread kcrisman
On Oct 13, 10:12 am, "ma...@mendelu.cz" wrote: > Hello all > > This is for developers interested in Calculus. > > Since the patch for #385 is available and seems to work for me, I > finished my work on #6479 > > You have to use 2 patches from #6479 and one patch from #385 > > After this we have

[sage-devel] Re: Categories restart: the end?

2009-10-13 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 5:59 AM, Nicolas M. Thiery wrote: > >        Dear David, dear Javier, dear category fans, > > Yippee! the technical patches required by the category code are making > their way into Sage, maybe even in 4.1.2. Since I just finished build testing 4.1.2 on a million machines

[sage-devel] Re: alpha.sagenb.org

2009-10-13 Thread Jason Grout
William Stein wrote: > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 7:39 AM, Jason Grout > wrote: >> William Stein wrote: >>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Jason Grout >>> wrote: William Stein wrote: > On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Jason Grout > wrote: >> I have found having the up-to-date a

[sage-devel] Re: alpha.sagenb.org

2009-10-13 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 7:39 AM, Jason Grout wrote: > > William Stein wrote: >> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Jason Grout >> wrote: >>> William Stein wrote: On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Jason Grout wrote: > I have found having the up-to-date alpha/rc on alpha.sagenb.org to

[sage-devel] Re: alpha.sagenb.org

2009-10-13 Thread Jason Grout
William Stein wrote: > On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Jason Grout > wrote: >> William Stein wrote: >>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Jason Grout >>> wrote: I have found having the up-to-date alpha/rc on alpha.sagenb.org to be extremely handy for testing to see if a certain patch

[sage-devel] Re: Sage at the joint meetings in San Francisco

2009-10-13 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 6:45 AM, Jason Grout wrote: > > kcrisman wrote: >> >> >> On Oct 13, 1:39 am, Rob Beezer wrote: >>> On Oct 12, 5:29 pm, William Stein wrote: >>> Maybe we should throw together a Sage Days-style coding sprint?   Sage Days 18.5.  We would just need a list of all S

[sage-devel] Re: test if expression depends on another expression

2009-10-13 Thread ma...@mendelu.cz
On 13 říj, 16:08, rjf wrote: > Is x^2+3 free of x^6? > Ordinarily I would think that if E is free of v, then one could vary v > in any way, and not affect the value of E. > If one varies x^6, it is kind of difficult to keep x^2+3 constant. > > I suppose you could specify a program to search i

[sage-devel] Re: sage, sage-sage, sage-env and the like

2009-10-13 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > > Hello, > > last night I got a real headache with "sage -sh" not just prepending to > my current path but rather resetting it... Anyway, I looked into sage > and sage-sage and sage-env and then wondered why in sage-env there > appears somet

[sage-devel] Patches for differential equations

2009-10-13 Thread ma...@mendelu.cz
Hello all This is for developers interested in Calculus. Since the patch for #385 is available and seems to work for me, I finished my work on #6479 You have to use 2 patches from #6479 and one patch from #385 After this we have the following enhancements in Sage: * Fixed #6479 (bad solution

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