[sage-devel] Re: Documentation Quality Initiative

2008-11-04 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 10:39 PM, Minh Nguyen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> 4) Generating public and private keys >> >> Choosing p and q of such different sizes is really a bad idea and IMHO >> shouldn't be encouraged. The hardness of factorisation depends on the size >> (and form) of the smaller

[sage-devel] Re: PEP for new inline operators for Python

2008-11-04 Thread Fernando Perez
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 6:07 PM, Jason Grout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sorry to reply to myself, but I also believe that Fernando is subscribed > to this list, so he might see your comments here as well. Yes, I am, and I'll be happy to update the doc before sending it to python-dev with any fe

[sage-devel] Re: Documentation Quality Initiative

2008-11-04 Thread Minh Nguyen
Hi Martin, Martin Albrecht wrote: >> http://nguyenminh2.googlepages.com/sage_numtheory-crypto.pdf >> >> This is a short tutorial on using Sage to study elementary number >> theory and the RSA public key cryptosystem. By "short", I mean at most >> 10 pages. If anyone has write privileges on the ww

[sage-devel] Re: Documentation Quality Initiative

2008-11-04 Thread Rob Beezer
Thanks, Minh, for the offer to take in my group theory notes. I'll be back in touch once I have something to "dump" your way. ;-) Rob On Nov 4, 7:11 pm, Minh Nguyen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A good way to do it is to "dump" your abstract algebra notes on a novice > like me :-)  I'd be more

[sage-devel] updating the _pos dictionary for graphs

2008-11-04 Thread Jason Grout
Does anyone know if it is assumed that if the _pos dictionary in a graph is not None, then it contains each vertex as a key? It seems like it is assumed several places in the code (e.g., in the subgraph() function). However, _pos isn't updated properly (e.g., in the delete_vertex function, th

[sage-devel] Re: yet another talk on Sage

2008-11-04 Thread Jason Grout
Martin Albrecht wrote: > On Wednesday 05 November 2008, Ronan Paixão wrote: >> Em Ter, 2008-11-04 às 17:44 -0800, William Stein escreveu: >>> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Ronan Paixão <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: There are no talks from 2008. Somewhere there should be instructions on >>>

[sage-devel] Re: Documentation Quality Initiative

2008-11-04 Thread Minh Nguyen
Hi Rob, Rob Beezer wrote: > As I have been teaching abstract algebra this semester, I have been > keeping notes on how to use Sage for this, and distributing them to my > students. So they follow the outline of a typical undergraduate > course on group theory, trying to use only the ideas they h

[sage-devel] Re: Documentation Quality Initiative

2008-11-04 Thread Rob Beezer
As I have been teaching abstract algebra this semester, I have been keeping notes on how to use Sage for this, and distributing them to my students. So they follow the outline of a typical undergraduate course on group theory, trying to use only the ideas they have been taught previously in the c

[sage-devel] Re: yet another talk on Sage

2008-11-04 Thread Martin Albrecht
On Wednesday 05 November 2008, Ronan Paixão wrote: > Em Ter, 2008-11-04 às 17:44 -0800, William Stein escreveu: > > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Ronan Paixão <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > There are no talks from 2008. Somewhere there should be instructions on > > > how to get files there (

[sage-devel] Re: yet another talk on Sage

2008-11-04 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Ronan Paixão <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Em Ter, 2008-11-04 às 17:44 -0800, William Stein escreveu: >> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Ronan Paixão <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> > There are no talks from 2008. Somewhere there should be instructions on >> >

[sage-devel] Re: PEP for new inline operators for Python

2008-11-04 Thread Jason Grout
Jason Grout wrote: > Ronan Paixão wrote: >> Em Ter, 2008-11-04 às 18:56 -0600, Jason Grout escreveu: >>> On the numpy list, there has been discussion on PEP225, which advocates >>> for more custom inline operators in python, particularly to address >>> matrix multiplication versus element-wise m

[sage-devel] Re: Documentation Quality Initiative

2008-11-04 Thread David Joyner
Agreed! I am still hoping to replace the document const.tex by cookbook.tex. I'm happy to assemble the chapters but even happier if someone else does:-) I'm not sure what the correct procedure is, so I put a chapter up on trac http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/3624 Maybe a wiki page is b

[sage-devel] Re: yet another talk on Sage

2008-11-04 Thread Ronan Paixão
Em Ter, 2008-11-04 às 17:44 -0800, William Stein escreveu: > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Ronan Paixão <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > There are no talks from 2008. Somewhere there should be instructions on > > how to get files there (who to send to). I noticed there have been quite > > som

[sage-devel] Re: PEP for new inline operators for Python

2008-11-04 Thread Jason Grout
Ronan Paixão wrote: > Em Ter, 2008-11-04 às 18:56 -0600, Jason Grout escreveu: >> On the numpy list, there has been discussion on PEP225, which advocates >> for more custom inline operators in python, particularly to address >> matrix multiplication versus element-wise multiplication. Fernando

[sage-devel] Re: Documentation Quality Initiative

2008-11-04 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Ronan Paixão <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Em Qua, 2008-11-05 às 12:07 +1100, Minh Nguyen escreveu: >> On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Minh Nguyen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Hi Harald, >> > >> > On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 6:07 PM, Harald Schilly >> > <[EMAI

[sage-devel] Re: Documentation Quality Initiative

2008-11-04 Thread Ronan Paixão
Em Qua, 2008-11-05 às 12:07 +1100, Minh Nguyen escreveu: > On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Minh Nguyen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Harald, > > > > On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 6:07 PM, Harald Schilly > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> Hi, I want to propose a process to increase the qual

[sage-devel] Re: Documentation Quality Initiative

2008-11-04 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 5:47 PM, Minh Nguyen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > William Stein wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I skimmed the crypto tutorial and liked it. I really wish we >> had a bunch of domain-specific tutorials gathered together >> and included in a single book or directory with Sage, >> and o

[sage-devel] Re: PEP for new inline operators for Python

2008-11-04 Thread Ronan Paixão
Em Ter, 2008-11-04 às 18:56 -0600, Jason Grout escreveu: > On the numpy list, there has been discussion on PEP225, which advocates > for more custom inline operators in python, particularly to address > matrix multiplication versus element-wise multiplication. Fernando > Perez has put together

[sage-devel] Re: Documentation Quality Initiative

2008-11-04 Thread Minh Nguyen
William Stein wrote: > Hi, > > I skimmed the crypto tutorial and liked it. I really wish we > had a bunch of domain-specific tutorials gathered together > and included in a single book or directory with Sage, > and on the website. Is that a challenge? :-) On a serious note, I'm planning to d

[sage-devel] Re: yet another talk on Sage

2008-11-04 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Ronan Paixão <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There are no talks from 2008. Somewhere there should be instructions on > how to get files there (who to send to). I noticed there have been quite > some talks around since I started watching this list. It would likely b

[sage-devel] Re: Documentation Quality Initiative

2008-11-04 Thread William Stein
Hi, I skimmed the crypto tutorial and liked it. I really wish we had a bunch of domain-specific tutorials gathered together and included in a single book or directory with Sage, and on the website. I wrote one recently for algebraic number fields. These tutorials would mostly -- like yours an

[sage-devel] Re: Documentation Quality Initiative

2008-11-04 Thread Minh Nguyen
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Minh Nguyen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Harald, > > On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 6:07 PM, Harald Schilly > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Hi, I want to propose a process to increase the quality of the Sage >> documentation. This is the by far most annoying thing

[sage-devel] Re: RDF['t'] bug?

2008-11-04 Thread Jason Grout
Bill Hart wrote: > > > >> Mma returns the term as "0. t^3" >> > > That's interesting. Which version of Magma? I meant mathematica; version 6.0.1 on Linux. Jason --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsub

[sage-devel] PEP for new inline operators for Python

2008-11-04 Thread Jason Grout
On the numpy list, there has been discussion on PEP225, which advocates for more custom inline operators in python, particularly to address matrix multiplication versus element-wise multiplication. Fernando Perez has put together a summary and is sending this to python-dev in a few days. See

[sage-devel] Re: RDF['t'] bug?

2008-11-04 Thread Bill Hart
Doh! Mma = mathematica. I need to learn how to read!! Thanks for checking that. Bill. On 5 Nov, 00:45, Bill Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 5 Nov, 00:26, Jason Grout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Bill Hart wrote: > > > > On 4 Nov, 03:39, Jason Grout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>

[sage-devel] Re: RDF['t'] bug?

2008-11-04 Thread Bill Hart
On 5 Nov, 00:26, Jason Grout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bill Hart wrote: > > > On 4 Nov, 03:39, Jason Grout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Bill Hart wrote: > >>> sage: R.=RDF['t'] > >>> sage: s=1.0e1*t^3+1.0e-100*t^2+1.01234e-100*t+1.0e1 > >>> sage: u=1.0e1*t^3-1.0e1*t^2+1.0e1*t-1.0e1 > >>> s

[sage-devel] Re: RDF['t'] bug?

2008-11-04 Thread Jason Grout
Bill Hart wrote: > > > On 4 Nov, 03:39, Jason Grout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Bill Hart wrote: >>> sage: R.=RDF['t'] >>> sage: s=1.0e1*t^3+1.0e-100*t^2+1.01234e-100*t+1.0e1 >>> sage: u=1.0e1*t^3-1.0e1*t^2+1.0e1*t-1.0e1 >>> sage: s*u >>> 100.0*t^6 - 100.0*t^5 + 100.0*t^4 - 100.0*t^2 + 100.0*t

[sage-devel] Re: RDF['t'] bug?

2008-11-04 Thread Bill Hart
No I concocted the example as a result of a conversation with someone about a related computation comparing speed of algorithms in RDF['x']. Interestingly Pari returns 0.e-36*t^3 for the middle term. This means that if further computations are done involving that term, the answer will always yiel

[sage-devel] Re: Links between worksheets

2008-11-04 Thread Dan Drake
On Tue, 04 Nov 2008 at 07:09AM -0800, Rob Beezer wrote: > Thanks for the reply. Yes, I looked closely at SageTex a couple of > months ago. Its a great idea, but I think it maybe does the reverse > of what I want. I'd like to have Sage input/commands appear in a > worksheet, surrounded by text fro

[sage-devel] Re: RDF['t'] bug?

2008-11-04 Thread Bill Hart
On 4 Nov, 03:39, Jason Grout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bill Hart wrote: > > sage: R.=RDF['t'] > > sage: s=1.0e1*t^3+1.0e-100*t^2+1.01234e-100*t+1.0e1 > > sage: u=1.0e1*t^3-1.0e1*t^2+1.0e1*t-1.0e1 > > sage: s*u > > 100.0*t^6 - 100.0*t^5 + 100.0*t^4 - 100.0*t^2 + 100.0*t - 100.0 > > > What happ

[sage-devel] Re: RDF['t'] bug?

2008-11-04 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 3:05 PM, Bill Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Right, I typed it incorrectly. But if I type R. = RDF['t'] the > result is the same. > Bill. Yes, that's true. I just jumped on that one problem, since it initially prevented me from executing the rest of the code. Then wh

[sage-devel] Re: RDF['t'] bug?

2008-11-04 Thread Bill Hart
Right, I typed it incorrectly. But if I type R. = RDF['t'] the result is the same. Bill. On 4 Nov, 03:43, "William Stein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 7:06 PM, Bill Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > sage: R.=RDF['t'] > > This first line is wrong.  It should be > >    R

[sage-devel] Re: Links between worksheets

2008-11-04 Thread Timothy Clemans
Note: You have log in first at sagenb.org before that link will work. On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 5:25 PM, William Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 11:38 AM, Ronan Paixão <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Are there safeguards in place to prevent a student from changing the >>

[sage-devel] Re: Links between worksheets

2008-11-04 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 11:38 AM, Ronan Paixão <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Are there safeguards in place to prevent a student from changing the > contents of the book? Yes. > Also, if the notebook itself is not user-changeable, at least > temporarily, it would defeat the most of the purpose of

[sage-devel] Re: Links between worksheets

2008-11-04 Thread Rob Beezer
The book is open-source with a GFDL license, so no, there are no safeguards. In fact, changes are encouraged. ;-) Seriously though, I'm thinking each student would have a local copy, rather than a shared copy on a server. They could experiment with Sage within this copy, and perhaps annotate i

[sage-devel] Re: yet another talk on Sage

2008-11-04 Thread Ronan Paixão
There are no talks from 2008. Somewhere there should be instructions on how to get files there (who to send to). I noticed there have been quite some talks around since I started watching this list. Ronan Em Ter, 2008-11-04 às 11:19 -0800, William Stein escreveu: > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 11:14 A

[sage-devel] Re: Links between worksheets

2008-11-04 Thread Ronan Paixão
Are there safeguards in place to prevent a student from changing the contents of the book? Also, if the notebook itself is not user-changeable, at least temporarily, it would defeat the most of the purpose of making it the book inside a notebook. I'm not familiar enough with the notebook's authe

[sage-devel] Re: yet another talk on Sage

2008-11-04 Thread Martin Albrecht
Wow, the last talks in there are from 2007! Here are mine, feel free to add them: OKCon: http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/~malb/talks/20080315%20-%20Sage%20-%20OKCon%20-%20London.pdf Trophees du libre: http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/~malb/talks/20071129%20-%20Sage%20-%20Soissons.pdf

[sage-devel] Re: yet another talk on Sage

2008-11-04 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Ronan Paixão <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Would it be possible to create a repository of talks about sage? > > Ronan Paixão It would be good to add to this: http://sagemath.org/talks/ William > > Em Ter, 2008-11-04 às 01:08 -0800, Craig Citro escreveu: >> Hey

[sage-devel] Re: yet another talk on Sage

2008-11-04 Thread Ronan Paixão
Would it be possible to create a repository of talks about sage? Ronan Paixão Em Ter, 2008-11-04 às 01:08 -0800, Craig Citro escreveu: > Hey Martin -- this looks great! In fact, I'm giving an Intro to Sage > talk at SD11 on Friday ... I'm tempted to just reuse your slides! :P > > -cc > > On Mo

[sage-devel] Re: website, random links on index.html

2008-11-04 Thread Jason Grout
Harald Schilly wrote: > Hello, in my last post about sagetex and more exposure of sage pages, > i had the idea to create a random link (not really random, there is > nothing like that in apache ssi, but the seconds of the timestamp are > more than ok) > therefore, there are now 10 links that are v

[sage-devel] website, random links on index.html

2008-11-04 Thread Harald Schilly
Hello, in my last post about sagetex and more exposure of sage pages, i had the idea to create a random link (not really random, there is nothing like that in apache ssi, but the seconds of the timestamp are more than ok) therefore, there are now 10 links that are very prominent on the index.html

[sage-devel] Re: Links between worksheets

2008-11-04 Thread Rob Beezer
Dan, Thanks for the reply. Yes, I looked closely at SageTex a couple of months ago. Its a great idea, but I think it maybe does the reverse of what I want. I'd like to have Sage input/commands appear in a worksheet, surrounded by text from the book. Then a student could read the text, execute

[sage-devel] Re: Links between worksheets

2008-11-04 Thread Harald Schilly
On Nov 4, 2:04 pm, mhampton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think SageTeX deserves to have a more prominent place on the webpage It's on http://sagemath.org/tour-research.html (not new, there since months) but it could be more visible -- although as always, making more things visible makes everyth

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.2.alpha2 released

2008-11-04 Thread mabshoff
Hi, I have made all known numerical noise issues with 3.2.a2 tickets - see #4436-4439. If someone has some additional failures please add them to the tickets. If you have a failure in another file please open a new ticket against 3.2. Cheers, Michael --~--~-~--~~~---

[sage-devel] Re: Links between worksheets

2008-11-04 Thread mhampton
I think SageTeX deserves to have a more prominent place on the webpage and wiki - maybe I'm missing it but I don't see any links to it. When you (Dan) were first working on it, I tried to use it and failed but I just tried again (on a mac) and almost everything works for me, not using the imagema

[sage-devel] Re: yet another talk on Sage

2008-11-04 Thread Martin Albrecht
On Tuesday 04 November 2008, Jason Grout wrote: > Does your permission to use your slides extend to others? Definitely! I even wrote a README.txt: """ Feel free to re-use these slides for whatever purpose. """ Cheers, Martin -- name: Martin Albrecht _pgp: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup

[sage-devel] Re: yet another talk on Sage

2008-11-04 Thread Jason Grout
Martin Albrecht wrote: > On Tuesday 04 November 2008, Craig Citro wrote: >>> Go for it! I can upload my sources to sage.math. I would add some >>> history/background for SD11 though. >> Oh, I was mostly kidding -- but actually, please upload the sources! >> Your beamer slides are WAY prettier than

[sage-devel] Re: yet another talk on Sage

2008-11-04 Thread Martin Albrecht
On Tuesday 04 November 2008, Craig Citro wrote: > > Go for it! I can upload my sources to sage.math. I would add some > > history/background for SD11 though. > > Oh, I was mostly kidding -- but actually, please upload the sources! > Your beamer slides are WAY prettier than the ones I create. Amusi

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.2.alpha2 released

2008-11-04 Thread mabshoff
On Nov 3, 11:43 pm, "Georg S. Weber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 4 Nov., 01:57, "Justin C. Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Oct 31, 2008, at 5:13 PM, mabshoff wrote: > >     sage -t  devel/sage/sage/calculus/calculus.py > >          this has been reported, but I just noticed that

[sage-devel] Re: yet another talk on Sage

2008-11-04 Thread Craig Citro
> Go for it! I can upload my sources to sage.math. I would add some > history/background for SD11 though. > Oh, I was mostly kidding -- but actually, please upload the sources! Your beamer slides are WAY prettier than the ones I create. Amusingly, I stole the template I currently use from your ta

[sage-devel] Re: yet another talk on Sage

2008-11-04 Thread Martin Albrecht
On Tuesday 04 November 2008, Craig Citro wrote: > Hey Martin -- this looks great! In fact, I'm giving an Intro to Sage > talk at SD11 on Friday ... I'm tempted to just reuse your slides! :P Go for it! I can upload my sources to sage.math. I would add some history/background for SD11 though. Mar

[sage-devel] Re: yet another talk on Sage

2008-11-04 Thread Martin Albrecht
On Tuesday 04 November 2008, David Joyner wrote: > I think it's excellent. I laughed at the intro to the Sage definition too. > Very good. > > Someone was just asking me a question related to the program > you used to create the graph of on page 26. Is this a graph of > Sage classes? What is the p

[sage-devel] Re: yet another talk on Sage

2008-11-04 Thread Craig Citro
Hey Martin -- this looks great! In fact, I'm giving an Intro to Sage talk at SD11 on Friday ... I'm tempted to just reuse your slides! :P -cc On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 4:44 PM, Martin Albrecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi there, > > I'll give a talk on Sage this Thursday to the PhD student sem

[sage-devel] Re: Links between worksheets

2008-11-04 Thread Dan Drake
On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 at 09:15PM -0800, Rob Beezer wrote: > Long-term I would like to add "live" Sage code to my LaTeX sources and > have them migrate to the worksheets as cells, demonstrating the use of > Sage for the relevant aspects of linear algebra. The end result would > be a "Sage-enhanced" v

[sage-devel] Re: yet another talk on Sage

2008-11-04 Thread David Joyner
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 3:25 AM, Dan Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 04 Nov 2008 at 02:58AM -0500, David Joyner wrote: >> I think it's excellent. I laughed at the intro to the Sage definition >> too. Very good. > > I was totally not expecting 4chan to appear in a Sage talk... > >> Also,

[sage-devel] Re: yet another talk on Sage

2008-11-04 Thread Dan Drake
On Tue, 04 Nov 2008 at 02:58AM -0500, David Joyner wrote: > I think it's excellent. I laughed at the intro to the Sage definition > too. Very good. I was totally not expecting 4chan to appear in a Sage talk... > Also, what font are you using? I like it. Maybe Arial or Veranda? Looks like a stand