[sage-devel] Re: Most Sage spkg's are out of date!

2007-12-30 Thread mabshoff
On Dec 31, 2:15 am, "Ondrej Certik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sorry for being late to the party, I was afk for a while. > > When I look at the instructions for creating a spkg: > > >http://www.sagemath.org/doc/html/prog/node24.html > > > The first thing that catches my eye is > > > "(b) > >

[sage-devel] Funding open source

2007-12-30 Thread TimDaly
I had an interesting discussion with a finance professor from the Univ. of Pittsburgh. We were discussing the issue of funding open source software. The suggestion came up of approaching sourceforge or their parent company to set up an organization to handle money. The funding would not cover pa

[sage-devel] Re: Most Sage spkg's are out of date!

2007-12-30 Thread Francois
On Dec 31, 1:11 pm, "Ted Kosan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ondrej wrote: > > Nice thing about this is that there is no database, nothing. Just > > plain files, that > > can be fixed by hand. > > > How would portage improve this? > > Portage is just editable text files too. I do not have any e

[sage-devel] Re: Most Sage spkg's are out of date!

2007-12-30 Thread Ondrej Certik
> When I look at the instructions for creating a spkg: > > http://www.sagemath.org/doc/html/prog/node24.html > > The first thing that catches my eye is > > "(b) > Put your files in that directory." > > So where do the files come from? I took a spkg at random (readline), Yes, for the sympy spk

[sage-devel] Re: Most Sage spkg's are out of date!

2007-12-30 Thread Ted Kosan
Ondrej wrote: > Nice thing about this is that there is no database, nothing. Just > plain files, that > can be fixed by hand. > > How would portage improve this? Portage is just editable text files too. I do not have any experience with Debian so it may also do the following things I describe be

[sage-devel] Re: Most Sage spkg's are out of date!

2007-12-30 Thread David Joyner
On Dec 30, 2007 6:14 PM, Ondrej Certik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Dec 30, 2007 11:58 PM, Francois <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Dec 31, 1:51 am, "Ondrej Certik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Disclaimer: I am a Debian user, on the way of becoming a Debian Developer >

[sage-devel] Re: Most Sage spkg's are out of date!

2007-12-30 Thread Ondrej Certik
On Dec 30, 2007 11:58 PM, Francois <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On Dec 31, 1:51 am, "Ondrej Certik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Disclaimer: I am a Debian user, on the way of becoming a Debian Developer > > > > I agree with Michael, to keep it simple stupid, as it is now. Maybe with my

[sage-devel] Re: Most Sage spkg's are out of date!

2007-12-30 Thread Francois
On Dec 31, 1:51 am, "Ondrej Certik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Disclaimer: I am a Debian user, on the way of becoming a Debian Developer > > I agree with Michael, to keep it simple stupid, as it is now. Maybe with my > a simple improvements I suggested here: > > http://groups.google.com/grou

[sage-devel] Re: Describing Sage as a Mathematics Computing Environment

2007-12-30 Thread Jaap Spies
root wrote: > Computational Mathematics System? > A CAS is a CAS is a ... When we sustitute: s/Algebra/Mathematics/g we still are not talking about the functionality of Sage! Sage is more "generic". Ii not only offers you a "system" on itself, but also a way to use a lot of other systems, both

[sage-devel] Re: Describing Sage as a Mathematics Computing Environment

2007-12-30 Thread Harald Schilly
On Dec 30, 8:32 pm, Francesco Biscani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Comprehensive ... Comprehensive and Universal Mathematics Environment --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send e

[sage-devel] Re: Describing Sage as a Mathematics Computing Environment

2007-12-30 Thread Fabio Tonti
I'm not sure whom you are aiming at with this description, but I think there should be some emphasis on the natural sciences too. I think the description should be something like "CAS *AND* system for computational sciences", but I'm not sure about how to make it sound good. Cheers, Fabio --~--~-

[sage-devel] Re: Describing Sage as a Mathematics Computing Environment

2007-12-30 Thread Francesco Biscani
On Sunday 30 December 2007, Jaap Spies wrote: > As an alternative: > > Generic Mathematics Computing System, > [...] > Eventualy Generic Mathematics Computing Software? > Or Generic Mathematics Computing Environment? > > Jaap Personally I liked the "comprehensive" someone mentioned, hence my sugge

[sage-devel] Re: Describing Sage as a Mathematics Computing Environment

2007-12-30 Thread Jaap Spies
Ted Kosan wrote: > > Mathematics Computing System sounds pretty good to me. > As an alternative: Generic Mathematics Computing System, including your favorite scientific calculator, state of the art elliptic curves algorithms and all you need to do your home work for highschool, college, uni

[sage-devel] Re: [Jmol-developers] [sage-devel] Fwd: [sage-devel] Re: Jmol andMathematics Visualization

2007-12-30 Thread Fernando Perez
On Dec 30, 2007 11:06 AM, Bob Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > possibly, but let's talk first about what you are really interested in > doing, then talk format. Arrays aren't necessarily the solution. Pmesh > is not what you want for simple planes and objects -- that is for > complex mathematic

[sage-devel] Re: [Jmol-developers] [sage-devel] Fwd: [sage-devel] Re: Jmol andMathematics Visualization

2007-12-30 Thread Bob Hanson
Robert Bradshaw wrote: > On Dec 29, 2007, at 9:15 PM, Robert Hanson wrote: > >> I'm a bit lost on this thread, but I wanted to respond to the >> binary/multiple file issue. >> >> First, it's a fine idea to create a binary Pmesh file format. If we do >> that, though, let's not rush into it and jus

[sage-devel] Re: Describing Sage as a Mathematics Computing Environment

2007-12-30 Thread root
Computational Mathematics System? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel

[sage-devel] Re: Describing Sage as a Mathematics Computing Environment

2007-12-30 Thread Jaap Spies
Ted Kosan wrote: > > Between "environment", "system", and "platform", I am starting to lean > towards "system" because most TI-83 users will probably not be able to > grasp what a "platform" is the way a programmer understands it and > "environment" is more restrictive than system. > I don't a

[sage-devel] Re: [Jmol-developers] [sage-devel] Fwd: [sage-devel] Re: Jmol andMathematics Visualization

2007-12-30 Thread Bob Hanson
possibly, but let's talk first about what you are really interested in doing, then talk format. Arrays aren't necessarily the solution. Pmesh is not what you want for simple planes and objects -- that is for complex mathematical descriptions of surfaces. Using specific colorings and shadings

[sage-devel] Re: Describing Sage as a Mathematics Computing Environment

2007-12-30 Thread Ted Kosan
Tim wrote: >Scientific Computing Platform? Alex wrote: >I like "mathematical/scientific computing >system/platform/environment", with a very slight preference to >"mathematical" over "scientific" and with preference to "system" or >"platform" over "environment" since in my mind that restricts

[sage-devel] Re: Describing Sage as a Mathematics Computing Environment

2007-12-30 Thread mhampton
The phrase "scientific computing" is often interpreted in a fairly narrow sense, so I think "Mathematics Computing Environment" is better. Even that sounds too limited to me, although I am not sure what else to suggest. "Comprehensive Computing Environment" perhaps? Cheers, Marshall On Dec 29,

[sage-devel] Re: Most Sage spkg's are out of date!

2007-12-30 Thread Ondrej Certik
On Dec 29, 2007 8:04 AM, François Bissey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sat, 29 Dec 2007, mabshoff wrote: > > Well, if we were to limit ourselves to Linux systems that might be an > > option, but with the need to support OSX and Solaris [and in the > > futute Windows] I don't see this as somethi

[sage-devel] Re: factor ideals at NF

2007-12-30 Thread John Cremona
Thanks for the explanation. Perhaps we need to change the implementation to be more like what Magma does, namely it gives either 2 O_K-generators or a Z_K-basis by default, but if you ever ask if an ideal is principal then it works that out and stores the result, with the generator if principal s

[sage-devel] Re: factor ideals at NF

2007-12-30 Thread Bill Hart
Actually, even that is not correct. It creates the ideal objects in no time. It seems that it is when it comes to display them that it wants to determine if they are principal, presumably so it can display them with as simple a representation as possible. Bill. On 30 Dec, 11:39, Bill Hart <[EMAI

[sage-devel] Re: factor ideals at NF

2007-12-30 Thread Bill Hart
What is happening is that at a certain point it is checking to see if ideals are principal. That requires bnfisprincipal and hence bnfinit which requires computation of the unit and class group. Essentially the way it is implemented is that it expresses the ideal in hermite normal form. Then it f

[sage-devel] Re: factor ideals at NF

2007-12-30 Thread John Cremona
But pari provides two number field structures (see page 117 of the pari manual), nf and bnf. nfinit() creates a number field with more "elementary" capabilities, including the ring of integers and prime decompositions. bnfinit() works a lot harder and gives the class and unit groups. Hence it

[sage-devel] Re: Describing Sage as a Mathematics Computing Environment

2007-12-30 Thread Alex Ghitza
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I think Mathematica's official description is a very good example of something we should *not* emulate. The title is simply nonsensical: "the world's most powerful global computing system"? In what sense is Mathematica a "global computing syste

[sage-devel] Re: [Jmol-developers] [sage-devel] Fwd: [sage-devel] Re: Jmol andMathematics Visualization

2007-12-30 Thread Fernando Perez
Howdy, On Dec 29, 2007 10:59 PM, Robert Bradshaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Dec 29, 2007, at 9:15 PM, Robert Hanson wrote: > > > I'm a bit lost on this thread, but I wanted to respond to the > > binary/multiple file issue. > > > > First, it's a fine idea to create a binary Pmesh file forma