On Dec 30, 2007 11:58 PM, Francois <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On Dec 31, 1:51 am, "Ondrej Certik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Disclaimer: I am a Debian user, on the way of becoming a Debian Developer > > > > I agree with Michael, to keep it simple stupid, as it is now. Maybe with my > > a simple improvements I suggested here: > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel/browse_thread/thread/6b9684... > > > > Nice thing about this is that there is no database, nothing. Just > > plain files, that > > can be fixed by hand. > > > > How would portage improve this? > > Note I initially posted this privately to Ondrej with a disclaimer > about not starting > rant wars but he encouraged me to post it list-wide.
Yes, some Sage developers like Michael love flamebates. :) > Disclaimer: I am a Gentoo user which should really become the > maintainer > of several packages :) [real life commitment permitting] > > I am just feeling that spkg is re-inventing/has re-invented the wheel. > On the other hand full blown portage is certainly too bloated - did I > mention > anything about subsets of portage? > I think there should be a kind of portage-redux for stuff that are not > full fledged > Linux meta-distribution. Modular xorg comes to mind as something that > has pretty > much become a distribution and could use such system. Portage-redux > definitely > doesn't belong to this list. > > Since my understanding is that you can actually use dpkg to compile > debian from > source it could probably be applied there as well. > > The only improvement that I can see would be an ease of integration in > Gentoo > which is a bit too Gentoo-centric to be of any real benefit to anyone > else. More > discipline in the packaging is probably what is most needed at the > moment. And > you can package stuff as badly in ebuilds than you can in spkgs so > that wouldn't > really enforce discipline. So pragmatically none. I thought the same at the beginning that Sage is just reinventing the wheel (especially when Sage people don't like reinventing the wheel:), but I don't think there is any other way. The requirements are: * keep it simple (plain config files, the less, the better) * need to work everywhere where Sage works But you are right, that imho, Sage is becomming a distribution, for mathematics software. And a very convenient one. Imagine just writing your program, then creating a spkg and then being able to install it from source on linux, windows, mac... You cannot do that with a Gentoo or Debian package alone. Ondrej --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
