[sage-devel] Re: AMS Notices column

2007-08-08 Thread Robert Bradshaw
I really think some kind of a closing, final sentence/statement needs to be placed right before the "full disclosure." I'd try and come up with something but I'm exhausted right now. - Robert On Aug 8, 2007, at 9:03 PM, David Joyner wrote: > Hi: > > The version at > http://sage.math.washing

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE download stats -- how to increase SAGE usage?

2007-08-08 Thread William Stein
On 8/8/07, Ted Kosan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > We've discussed stuff like this before on sage-devel, and the > > decision was made to not put any automatic "call home" features > > in SAGE. For example, SAGE won't automatically check for > > updates, report usage patterns, etc., without the

[sage-devel] Fwd: Reduce package for Sage

2007-08-08 Thread William Stein
On 8/7/07, Bill Page <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Some months ago I promised to look into the issue of creating a Reduce > package for Sage (as usual: as and when time permits :). While at the > ISSAC conference where Sage was conspicuous by it's complete absence! Sorry about that... > :-(, I ha

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE download stats -- how to increase SAGE usage?

2007-08-08 Thread Ted Kosan
William wrote: > We've discussed stuff like this before on sage-devel, and the > decision was made to not put any automatic "call home" features > in SAGE. For example, SAGE won't automatically check for > updates, report usage patterns, etc., without the user explicitly > doing something to "op

[sage-devel] Re: sage -clisp fails in sage-2.7.3

2007-08-08 Thread Justin C. Walker
Maybe something else is going on, but... On Aug 8, 2007, at 22:59 , William Stein wrote: > On 8/8/07, Bill Page <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/sage-2.7.3-x86_64-Linux$ ./sage -clisp >> clisp: /home/was/sage-2.7.2.rc1/local/lib/clisp/base/lisp.run: No >> such file or

[sage-devel] Re: AMS Notices column

2007-08-08 Thread Chris Chiasson
Strangely, Google Groups converted my em dash into a regular dash. The em dash character can be easily found elsewhere, though. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EM

[sage-devel] Re: sage -clisp fails in sage-2.7.3

2007-08-08 Thread William Stein
On 8/8/07, Bill Page <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > William, et al.; > > I downloaded sage-2.7.3-x86_64-Linux.tar.gz, untarred it and started > sage successfully. But when I ask sage to start a clisp session, it > fails with the following message: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/sage-2.7.3-x86_64-Linux$ .

[sage-devel] Re: AMS Notices column

2007-08-08 Thread Chris Chiasson
Other minor English usage suggestions: (repairs: em dash, em dash spacing, and run-on sentence) "various mathematical facts - no code is given, and the programs are proprietary software some of which only run on hardware many years out of date." -> "various mathematical facts-no code is given.

[sage-devel] Re: AMS Notices column

2007-08-08 Thread Chris Chiasson
I have been resisting a mention of this, but I finally gave in: Do you think "the second author" is a bit awkward, especially right after mentioning a bunch of mathematical software? It is possible that readers could become confused. Ways to deal with this: 1. Use "Your second author... " or "On

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE download stats -- how to increase SAGE usage?

2007-08-08 Thread William Stein
On 8/8/07, Chris Chiasson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Aug 8, 12:03 pm, "Ted Kosan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > It might even be possible to actually use Google analytics to track > > global Sage notebook usage. > > If this is implemented, could this please be restricted to > sagemath.or

[sage-devel] Re: AMS Notices column

2007-08-08 Thread Mike Hansen
Minor fix on page 2: "We probably will believe her, but she knows that she will be required to produce a proof if required." should probably be "We probably will believe her, but she knows that she will be required to produce a proof if requested." --Mike On 8/8/07, David Joyner <[EMAIL PROTECTE

[sage-devel] Re: AMS Notices column

2007-08-08 Thread Timothy Clemans
I think saying that Mathematica is the company that made that claim about needing to know about internals is incorrect since Wikipedia says that Mathematica is produced by Wolfram Research. On 8/8/07, David Joyner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi: > > The version at > http://sage.math.washington

[sage-devel] AMS Notices column

2007-08-08 Thread David Joyner
Hi: The version at http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/was/papers/oscas/oscas-ams-notices.pdf has been accepted by the editor for the November NOTICES Opinion column. Are there any further comments? We have a day or 2 before sending in the final version. - David Joyner --~--~-~--~~

[sage-devel] sage -clisp fails in sage-2.7.3

2007-08-08 Thread Bill Page
William, et al.; I downloaded sage-2.7.3-x86_64-Linux.tar.gz, untarred it and started sage successfully. But when I ask sage to start a clisp session, it fails with the following message: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/sage-2.7.3-x86_64-Linux$ ./sage -clisp clisp: /home/was/sage-2.7.2.rc1/local/lib/cli

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE download stats -- how to increase SAGE usage?

2007-08-08 Thread Chris Chiasson
On Aug 8, 12:03 pm, "Ted Kosan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It might even be possible to actually use Google analytics to track > global Sage notebook usage. If this is implemented, could this please be restricted to sagemath.org? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post

[sage-devel] Re: pari precision setting

2007-08-08 Thread John Cremona
Thanks, Robert. I am well advanced with testing this now. I changed 3 files: 1. ~/sage-2.7/data/extcode/pari/simon/ellQ.gp where I changed one function main() to have an extra parameter 2. ~/sage-2.7/devel/sage-main/sage/schemes/elliptic_curves/gp_simon.py which is the associated wra

[sage-devel] Fwd: [linbox-devel] Re: linbox det bug

2007-08-08 Thread William Stein
David, FYI, the Linbox bug you and Gabe found has been fixed in svn Linbox, so it will be fixed in SAGE in the not-too-distant future. Thanks Pascal!! -- william -- Forwarded message -- From: Pascal Giorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Aug 8, 2007 9:00 AM Subject: [linbox-devel] R

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE download stats -- how to increase SAGE usage?

2007-08-08 Thread Bill Page
On 8/8/07, Joel B. Mohler wrote: > > I've never used colinux, but why is vmware a preferable choice than colinux? > I would think that it would be much easier to get something that felt like a > native windows application with colinux. I think both vmware and colinux do very clumsy things to the

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE download stats -- how to increase SAGE usage?

2007-08-08 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Aug 7, 2007, at 11:17 PM, William Stein wrote: > The suggestion to make a serious major push for good 3d graphics, is > clearly difficult but totally doable. I think this would be the best > investment of time at present for the greatest return. > The lack of good integrated interactive 3d g

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE download stats -- how to increase SAGE usage?

2007-08-08 Thread Ted Kosan
William wrote: > The SAGE downloads during the last week are as follows: > > Linux Binary > 42 > OS X Binary > 42 > Source > 91 > VMware (= Windows) > 57 > > > Total .. 232 In addition to download statistics, I would also be interested in seeing what Sage's usage

[sage-devel] Re: pari precision setting

2007-08-08 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Aug 8, 2007, at 4:28 AM, John Cremona wrote: > I am using the simon_two_descent() method for EllipticCurve(), and > have some curves where the default pari precision is in sufficient, > for example > > > e=EllipticCurve([0,0,0,-10164,409444]); > e.simon_two_descent() > > fails withe the (gp) r

[sage-devel] Re: new colloquium talk on SAGE

2007-08-08 Thread Alex Ghitza
> I just wrote a new colloquium-style talk on SAGE for CECM today: > >http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/was/tmp/20070808-sfu/ > > (look for the pdf. The notebook.txt file also has the relevant > SAGE notebook) > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version:

[sage-devel] Re: new colloquium talk on SAGE

2007-08-08 Thread David Joyner
ficant addition funding directed towards that"? On 8/8/07, William Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > I just wrote a new colloquium-style talk on SAGE for CECM today: > >http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/was/tmp/20070808-sfu/ > > (look for the

[sage-devel] new colloquium talk on SAGE

2007-08-08 Thread William Stein
Hi, I just wrote a new colloquium-style talk on SAGE for CECM today: http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/was/tmp/20070808-sfu/ (look for the pdf. The notebook.txt file also has the relevant SAGE notebook) -- William Stein Associate Professor of Mathematics University of Washington http

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE download stats -- how to increase SAGE usage?

2007-08-08 Thread Joel B. Mohler
I've never used colinux, but why is vmware a preferable choice than colinux? I would think that it would be much easier to get something that felt like a native windows application with colinux. I also think that it makes more sense in the long term (that is, virtualization is the wave of the

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE download stats -- how to increase SAGE usage?

2007-08-08 Thread Hamptonio
Anyone who is an academic using SAGE should try to give a little talk on it to your department (unneccessary at UW of course). I did this and I generated a fair amount of interest from our grad students. The faculty weren't overwhelmed, they all wanted particular things that sage currently lacks

[sage-devel] pari precision setting

2007-08-08 Thread John Cremona
I am using the simon_two_descent() method for EllipticCurve(), and have some curves where the default pari precision is in sufficient, for example e=EllipticCurve([0,0,0,-10164,409444]); e.simon_two_descent() fails withe the (gp) run-time error " *** bnfsunit: precision too low in get_arch."

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE download stats -- how to increase SAGE usage?

2007-08-08 Thread David Joyner
On 8/8/07, William Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 8/7/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Regarding Internet Explorer, the fact is it would > > > be 1-2 day's of work to make the SAGE notebook reasonably > > > usable from IE 7. Shift-enter would be replaced by > > > a

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE download stats -- how to increase SAGE usage?

2007-08-08 Thread Joel B. Mohler
On Tuesday 07 August 2007 18:22, William Stein wrote: > The number of new downloads of SAGE per week have been roughly > constant during the last 2-3 months. The growth of SAGE is definitely > not what I hoped for during my talk at SAGE Days 4.Does anybody > have any good ideas about how to

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE download stats -- how to increase SAGE usage?

2007-08-08 Thread Tim Lahey
On 8/8/07, Chris Chiasson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That's cool. I wrote similar stuff in Mathematica when I had to take > finite element classes. I bet yours is a lot more sophisticated than > mine. Is your work on the web? No, it isn't on the web at the moment, mainly because some of the c

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE download stats -- how to increase SAGE usage?

2007-08-08 Thread Ted Kosan
William wrote: >Does anybody >have any good ideas about how to increase the number of people >downloading SAGE? My hope is that this question will spark a relaxed >but enthusiastic and positive open-ended brainstorming thread in which >a lot of crazy ideas appear. > >I'm laying a lot of groundw

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE download stats -- how to increase SAGE usage?

2007-08-08 Thread Chris Chiasson
On Aug 8, 3:59 am, "Tim Lahey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I presented software I wrote to > symbolically derive > mass and stiffness matrices from first principles for finite element > analysis at > Maple's user conference in 2005. That's cool. I wrote similar stuff in Mathematica when I had to

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE download stats -- how to increase SAGE usage?

2007-08-08 Thread Martin Albrecht
On Wednesday 08 August 2007, Tim Lahey wrote: > On 8/8/07, Martin Albrecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 2.) undergrads taking calculus classes or people who use a CAS from time > > to time only. If SAGE is to reach the 10.000 user mark it is probably > > this group which makes up the big numbers

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE download stats -- how to increase SAGE usage?

2007-08-08 Thread Chris Chiasson
> - right now, there is a huge hype surrounding AJAX, Web 2.0, user created > content and such. SAGE fits in there because of the SAGE notebook which is a > good example of AJAX actually being useful. Use the hype, let the AJAX crazy > dotcom world know about it: techcrunch.com, mashable.com, unco

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE download stats -- how to increase SAGE usage?

2007-08-08 Thread Tim Lahey
On 8/8/07, Martin Albrecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 2.) undergrads taking calculus classes or people who use a CAS from time to > time only. If SAGE is to reach the 10.000 user mark it is probably this group > which makes up the big numbers. Many people on this list seem to assume so > too,

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE download stats -- how to increase SAGE usage?

2007-08-08 Thread Martin Albrecht
On Wednesday 08 August 2007, William Stein wrote: > Hi Sage-Devel, > > The SAGE downloads during the last week are as follows: > > Linux Binary > 42 > OS X Binary > 42 > Source > 91 > VMware (= Windows) > 57 > > > Total .. 232 > > The number of new downloads of SAGE

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE download stats -- how to increase SAGE usage?

2007-08-08 Thread Chris Chiasson
Actually, to clarify and back up from the previous statement: I don't know what the level of competition is for those keywords. I thought it was low because Google didn't show a lot of ads, but that could be an artifact of automated programs that only show ads that are clicked on most frequently (

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE download stats -- how to increase SAGE usage?

2007-08-08 Thread Chris Chiasson
This is kinda off the wall: Mathematica, Maple, and Matlab don't have a lot of competition for their keywords on Google, Yahoo, or MSN. By offering a **very low bid** on each of the names, you could probably put a message about the SAGE open source project on each of their names. In addition, yo

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE download stats -- how to increase SAGE usage?

2007-08-08 Thread boothby
> Now that the SAGE acronym has been dropped, I would recommend changing > the name to sagemath. This name matches the sagemath.org website, it > helps explain what sage is, and search engines will not return > unrelated sites if this name is used. We bring this up every few months, and I mainta

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE download stats -- how to increase SAGE usage?

2007-08-08 Thread Ted Kosan
kaimmello wrote: > I'm here just to say that for non-US users, the name of the program is > not the simplest to found on the web. SAGE is a name with many > different meanings and I'd suggest a more "peculiar" name that could > let the program to be found instantly on the web. I very much agree