Re: [Lsr] Split was Re: Draft minutes for BFD @ IETF110

2021-07-27 Thread John Scudder
RFC Editor state is MISSREF, as part of cluster C336: https://www.rfc-editor.org/cluster_info.php?cid=C336. If I’m untangling the information there correctly, I think it’s blocked on (at least) draft-ietf-teas-yang-te. Was the surgery that Tom mentions, expected to clear it out of MISSREF? If s

Re: [Lsr] Split was Re: Draft minutes for BFD @ IETF110

2021-07-27 Thread John Scudder
Thanks, Mahesh. > On Jul 27, 2021, at 3:52 PM, Mahesh Jethanandani > wrote: > > The surgery that I performed on the draft, and can be seen in the attached > files both as a diff and the full file was to remove the mpls-te module > dependency from this draft. We should therefore at least not b

Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5880 (6818)

2022-05-09 Thread John Scudder
-rfc-editor -dward’s old address This erratum proposes changing “is not equal” to “is not match”. As far as I can tell would make the text less, not more, precise. I’m going to reject it. Submitter, if you still feel there is a problem, you can either open a new erratum expressing your point mo

Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5880 (7082)

2022-09-01 Thread John Scudder
Hi Folks, I’ like to thank Glebs for the well-written and researched erratum. I’d like to engage the WG and authors before moving this one along. AFAICT (and I am not as expert in the subject as some of you are), the erratum is correcting a legit bug in the spec. My concern is that as the subm

Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5880 (7083)

2022-09-01 Thread John Scudder
The same questions and comments apply to this one as to erratum 7082, see https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/rtg-bfd/Q1vE1DLSTPJmYDscTEiF6QHUwgU/ —John > On Aug 12, 2022, at 10:19 AM, RFC Errata System > wrote: > > The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5880, > "Bidirectiona

Re: [EXTERNAL] A missing read/write attribute in RFC 9314?

2022-10-19 Thread John Scudder
> On Oct 19, 2022, at 2:14 PM, Reshad Rahman wrote: > > As Mahesh has replied, we can't do this as an erratum. Doing a new document > with a module which augments ietf-bfd-lag would be the easiest solution, but > I don't think it's the way to go. A bis of 9314 is more appropriate. Maybe we sho

Re: AD review of draft-ietf-bfd-unsolicited-09

2022-10-24 Thread John Scudder
below , co-authors please keep me honest. > > Regards, > Reshad. > > On Tuesday, August 23, 2022, 12:40:46 PM EDT, John Scudder > wrote: > > > Dear Authors, > > Thanks for your patience. Here’s my review of your document. There are some > questions I’ve raised that will need some discussion before I can be sure > I’ve properly understood the doc. > [… snip …]

Re: AD review of draft-ietf-bfd-unsolicited-09

2022-10-24 Thread John Scudder
> One change from prior discussions is that we have decided not to address > multi-hop for security reasons. > > Regards, > Reshad. > > On Monday, October 24, 2022, 10:32:47 AM EDT, John Scudder > wrote: > > > Hi Reshad, > > Thanks for your reply.

Re: [Last-Call] Tsvart last call review of draft-ietf-bfd-unsolicited-11

2022-11-16 Thread John Scudder
Hi Folks, There don’t appear to be any show-stoppers in Magnus’s review so I’ve gone ahead and requested to place this on the December 15 IESG agenda. However, please do follow up with Magnus and push a new version if appropriate. Thanks, —John > On Nov 14, 2022, at 8:18 AM, Magnus Westerlund

Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5880 (7240)

2023-02-08 Thread John Scudder
Hi Everyone, I plan to verify this in the near future (let’s say, Monday Feb 13) unless anyone objects. Thanks, —John > On Nov 6, 2022, at 4:27 AM, RFC Errata System > wrote: > > The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5880, > "Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD)". > >

Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5880 (7240)

2023-02-13 Thread John Scudder
s a case when bfd.SessionState goes from Down to Init: > > If bfd.SessionState is Down > If received State is Down > Set bfd.SessionState to Init > > Best regards, > Glebs > > > On 08.02.23 19:58, John Scudder wrote: >>

Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5880 (7240)

2023-02-17 Thread John Scudder
l packet) and that does not need to change. > > Thanks for making me think twice, er three times, or something. > > —Dave > >> On Feb 13, 2023, at 6:06 AM, John Scudder wrote: >> >> I guess it hinges on whether the reinitialization happens when you >> transition ou

Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5880 (7240)

2023-02-22 Thread John Scudder
Hi All, Regarding Jeff’s "Given the maturity of the feature, I'd suggest sticking to the reality on the ground”, I want to step in and remind folks about what our guidelines are for processing errata [1]. They are fairly narrow, by design. One of the high-order bits of the guidelines is, "Errat

Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5880 (7240)

2023-02-22 Thread John Scudder
Further to what I just sent, "is it possible to simply log a permanent erratum that explains the ambiguity and encourages people not to worry about it?” Yep. That's basically what I had in mind with "note it in a ‘hold for document update’ erratum”. I don’t really expect anyone to write an Inte

Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5880 (7240)

2023-03-06 Thread John Scudder
> of machinations to go out of its way to fix something that is entirely >>> pedantic. In that case I think holding the erratum for update is the right >>> choice. The erratum can describe the ambiguity and the WG can decide what >>> to do about it if they find another reaso

Re: Zaheduzzaman Sarker's Discuss on draft-ietf-bfd-unsolicited-11: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2023-04-18 Thread John Scudder
Top-posting to avoid the nest of dueling quoting conventions :-( and since there’s only one residual point to settle. I believe the draft text in question is: OLD: * Deploy the feature only in certain "trustworthy" environment, e.g., at an IXP, or between a provider and its customers.

WG, please review [was: Re: Robert Wilton's Discuss on draft-ietf-bfd-unsolicited-11: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)]

2023-04-27 Thread John Scudder
BFD Fans, I wanted to emphasize Jeff’s request for the WG to take a minute to consider the update. As far as I can tell, once Reshad fixes the final nit Robert raised, the document is done. Unless there’s any objection raised [*] by the end of Tuesday, May 2, I’ll plan to send the document to t

Re: WG, please review [was: Re: Robert Wilton's Discuss on draft-ietf-bfd-unsolicited-11: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)]

2023-05-03 Thread John Scudder
Having heard no further comments, we declare victory. I’ll send the document to the RFC Editor. Congratulations and thanks to the authors, and thanks to Rob, Jeff, and everyone who worked with them to improve the document. —John > On Apr 27, 2023, at 1:40 PM, John Scudder > wrote: &g

Re: Attacking BFD with NULL auth

2024-02-06 Thread John Scudder
You’re assuming either an on-LAN attacker (and therefore, that BFD is being used on a multiaccess medium) or multihop BFD here, I take it? Because RFC 5881 tells me GTSM is required if there’s no other authentication. —John > On Feb 6, 2024, at 8:56 AM, Jeffrey Haas wrote: > > > My thought o

Re: John Scudder's Yes on charter-ietf-bfd-08-00: (with COMMENT)

2024-10-18 Thread John Scudder
for example, "path continuity"? * several action points are related to MIB work. How useful is MIB BFD these days? Would directing the work on BFD management to the BFD YANG model be a better choice? Regards, Greg On Fri, Oct 18, 2024 at 12:35 PM John Scudder via Datatracker mailto:no

Re: Roman Danyliw's Discuss on draft-ietf-bfd-unaffiliated-echo-12: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2024-10-16 Thread John Scudder
What Jeff said. Roman, if you’ll take a marker for an update that covers this document, ex post facto, I'll commit to handling that as part of the charter update Jeff mentions. —John > On Oct 16, 2024, at 10:24 AM, Jeffrey Haas wrote: > > Roman, > > On Wed, Oct 16, 2024 at 06:24:10AM -0700,

Re: Zaheduzzaman Sarker's Discuss on draft-ietf-bfd-large-packets-14: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2025-01-13 Thread John Scudder
On Jan 13, 2025, at 8:05 AM, Zaheduzzaman Sarker wrote: If the real intention is that the implementation just reads the BFD payload and there is good motivation for putting Zeros then I would suggest writing - the BFD endpoints/implementation MUST discard any non-zero values. @John Scudder

Re: Deb Cooley's No Objection on draft-ietf-bfd-large-packets-14: (with COMMENT)

2025-01-08 Thread John Scudder
I suppose it might also be considered an attractive option to use as a covert channel, if the zero padding requirement wasn’t there. But it is so that should be ok. $0.02, —John > On Jan 8, 2025, at 9:18 AM, Jeffrey Haas wrote: > > [External Email. Be cautious of content] > > > Deb, > >

Re: Next after the IESG evaluation of draft-ietf-bfd-large-packets-14

2025-01-14 Thread John Scudder
Hi Mahesh, (And hoping not to tread on Éric’s toes here…) On Jan 14, 2025, at 11:55 AM, Mahesh Jethanandani wrote: …snip… 2. While the YANG security considerations boilerplate update request seems otherwise reasonable, the desired format creates a MISREF. This is a more general issue than just

Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC7331 (8327)

2025-03-16 Thread John Scudder
wo object OIDs is the start and end of the range, > the practice of using other objects where the index is embedded in the table > as a notification object is common SNMP MIB practice to provide more > information. > > -- Jeff > >> >> Thanks >> Gou

Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC7331 (8327)

2025-03-15 Thread John Scudder
rrent status of the BFD Session to the end user. Thanks Goutham On Sat, Mar 15, 2025 at 5:11 PM Jeffrey Haas mailto:jh...@pfrc.org>> wrote: On Thu, Mar 13, 2025 at 01:48:57PM +, John Scudder wrote: > Hi All, > > MIBs aren’t in my comfort zone and I’m having a hard time sussing thi

Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC7331 (8327)

2025-03-13 Thread John Scudder
Hi All, MIBs aren’t in my comfort zone and I’m having a hard time sussing this one out. I hope one of the authors, or someone with more clue than me, will take a look. One point is that the DESCRIPTION says "bfdSessDiag MUST both be set equal to this new state (i.e., up(4)).” But if I track dow

Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC7331 (8327)

2025-04-04 Thread John Scudder
Thanks for the review, Zafar. I’ve verified the erratum with the described text. —John On Mar 18, 2025, at 2:04 PM, Zafar Ali (zali) wrote: Hi John The proposed text looks good to me. Thanks Regards … Zafar From: John Scudder mailto:j...@juniper.net>> Date: Monday, March 17, 2025

John Scudder's Yes on charter-ietf-bfd-08-00: (with COMMENT)

2024-10-18 Thread John Scudder via Datatracker
John Scudder has entered the following ballot position for charter-ietf-bfd-08-00: Yes When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) The document, along with other

John Scudder's No Objection on draft-ietf-bfd-unaffiliated-echo-12: (with COMMENT)

2024-10-16 Thread John Scudder via Datatracker
John Scudder has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-bfd-unaffiliated-echo-12: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please