Re: Service Redundancy using BFD

2017-12-19 Thread Greg Mirsky
Hi Sami, you've said: Sami: 2 points here, the proposal in the draft has 2 aspects, 1) the diag code via which one node inform the other node that it outlived it, and 2) the Bitmap presenting the services, we understand that BFD is a *noisy* protocol this is why the bitmap is only communicated on f

bfd - Update to a Meeting Session Request for IETF 101

2017-12-19 Thread IETF Meeting Session Request Tool
An update to a meeting session request has just been submitted by Reshad Rahman, a Chair of the bfd working group. - Working Group Name: Bidirectional Forwarding Detection Area Name: Routing Area Session Requester: Reshad Rahman Number o

bfd - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 101

2017-12-19 Thread IETF Meeting Session Request Tool
A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Jeffrey Haas, a Chair of the bfd working group. - Working Group Name: Bidirectional Forwarding Detection Area Name: Routing Area Session Requester: Jeffrey Haas Number of Sessions:

BFD wiki updated

2017-12-19 Thread Jeffrey Haas
This normally happens as part of IETF, but it got away from us. The BFD wiki has been updated with current status of known documents and documents utilizing BFD outside of the working group. https://trac.ietf.org/trac/bfd/wiki -- Jeff

Re: Service Redundancy using BFD

2017-12-19 Thread Sami Boutros
Hi Jeff, Thanks for your comments, please see my comments inline Sami: On 12/19/17, 8:22 AM, "Jeffrey Haas" wrote: >[Speaking as an individual contributor.] > >I'm going to pick this as my response point. I'm not picking on you, >Ashesh. :-) > >I have several concerns about the proposal in

Re: BFD Performance Measurement

2017-12-19 Thread Ashesh Mishra
Same logic as authentication. Either both ends run it or neither end runs it. Additionally, dropped frames don’t impact the math as the exchange is just one frame forward and reverse. If any packet is lost, the particular exchange disappears. This missing exchange should have no impact on the

Re: BFD Performance Measurement

2017-12-19 Thread Jeffrey Haas
Ashesh, On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 12:30:10PM -0500, Ashesh Mishra wrote: > It really depends on the use-case and the implementation. This measurement > may be excessive if running at a 3.3ms or 10ms interval, but you don’t run > these intervals on anything but the best and most deterministic of li

Re: BFD Performance Measurement

2017-12-19 Thread Ashesh Mishra
It really depends on the use-case and the implementation. This measurement may be excessive if running at a 3.3ms or 10ms interval, but you don’t run these intervals on anything but the best and most deterministic of links. For links with higher or unpredictable latency, the typical intervals ar

Re: BFD Performance Measurement

2017-12-19 Thread Jeffrey Haas
Ashesh, I'll take it as a given that there's an implied gripe about a lack of TLVs for BFD and a push for BFDv2. :-) The work in here seems reasonable, but does run up against the question I always must ask: Is this actually useful/usable at high BFD rates? I understand that a likely scenario (a

Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5884 (5085)

2017-12-19 Thread Jeffrey Haas
Thanks everyone for getting the errata to where it is. Working through the thread, I tend to agree that we have a few nits that need to be resolved long-term, but I think the errrata gets us most of the way there for purposes of clarifying the bulk of the behavior. That said, I think we're at a p

Re: Service Redundancy using BFD

2017-12-19 Thread Jeffrey Haas
[Speaking as an individual contributor.] I'm going to pick this as my response point. I'm not picking on you, Ashesh. :-) I have several concerns about the proposal in this document: 1. It's not very clear how services get mapped to BFD sessions. As others are indirectly noting, p2p BFD ses

Re: WGLC for BFD Multipoint documents (last round)

2017-12-19 Thread Jeffrey Haas
[Speaking as an individual contributor.] On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 02:20:11AM +, Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) wrote: > S-BFD currently specified for p2p but I don't see a reason why S-BFD cannot > be applied to p2mp cases. So, for a BFD node that supports both RFC 7880 and > draft-ietf-bfd-mult

[iesg-secret...@ietf.org: Last Call: (TRILL Support of Point to Multipoint BFD) to Proposed Standard]

2017-12-19 Thread Jeffrey Haas
Working Group, This likely could use BFD eyes upon it, especially given our current WGLC on the multipoint documents. -- Jeff - Forwarded message from The IESG - Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 13:56:36 -0800 From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce Cc: trill-cha...@ietf.org, draft-ietf-trill-p2mp-..

Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC7880 (5211)

2017-12-19 Thread Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)
As a co-author of RFC 7880, I disagree with the report below, and recommend Rejecting this Erratum. S-BFD uses the BFD state variables, and “bfd.SessionType” is applicable with finer granularity than “Not S-BFD”. Some details at. https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/rtg-bfd/HxHT6Nxhpxot4baDag