Re: Non-determinism

2002-04-18 Thread Tomasz Ciolek
Okay, here is the problem as I see it: The algorithm is deterministic - know exactly what it will do next and what conditions are present at any given point in time. The overall result is not. It is probabilitic, and the probalilities are 1:2^128 or something of that order, but still, there is

Re: Non-determinism

2002-04-18 Thread btober
". But if you had a heart pacemaker whose operation depended on appropriate updates to a control data file, would you trust rsync to send that file update to the pacemaker? - Original Message - From: Martin Pool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Berend Tober <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subje

RE: Non-determinism

2002-04-17 Thread David Bolen
Martin Pool [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] writes: > To put it in simple language, the probability of an file transmission > error being undetected by MD4 message digest is believed to be > approximately one in one thousand million million million million > million million. I think that's one duodecillio

Re: Non-determinism

2002-04-17 Thread Martin Pool
On 17 Apr 2002, Berend Tober <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So while the software algorithm of ftp and cp are deterministic, > there must be some quantifiable probablity of failure > non-the-less. The difference with rsync is that not only are the > same effects of data corruption at work as with

Re: Non-determinism

2002-04-17 Thread tim . conway
Not in the least. The only checksum that guarantees that two files are identical is one from which the entire file can be regenerated in only a single way, in other words, some form of compression. If you want to send the whole file, that's fairly straightforward. Rsync is a way of optimizi

RE: Non-determinism

2002-04-17 Thread Berend Tober
On 17 Apr 2002 at 13:46, David Bolen wrote: > Berend Tober [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] writes: > > > That was my point about comparing rsync to sending the entire file > > using say, ftp or cp. ... > > Except of course that rsync uses its own final checksum ... > > ...so one could argue it's > actuall

RE: Non-determinism

2002-04-17 Thread David Bolen
Berend Tober [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] writes: > That was my point about comparing rsync to sending the entire file > using say, ftp or cp. That is, one might think that sending the > entire file via ftp or cp will produce a exact file copy, however the > actual transmission of the data takes the fo