Re: Non-determinism

2002-04-18 Thread Tomasz Ciolek
Okay, here is the problem as I see it: The algorithm is deterministic - know exactly what it will do next and what conditions are present at any given point in time. The overall result is not. It is probabilitic, and the probalilities are 1:2^128 or something of that order, but still, there is

Non-determinism and pacemakers

2002-04-18 Thread Lapo Luchini
> And don't ask me to produce an example, because I do understand > "astronomical". But if you had a heart pacemaker whose operation > depended on appropriate updates to a control data file, would you trust > rsync to send that file update to the pacemaker? 0_0" <= REALLY astonished face Do you

Re: Non-determinism

2002-04-18 Thread btober
". But if you had a heart pacemaker whose operation depended on appropriate updates to a control data file, would you trust rsync to send that file update to the pacemaker? - Original Message - From: Martin Pool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Berend Tober <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subje

RE: Non-determinism

2002-04-17 Thread David Bolen
Martin Pool [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] writes: > To put it in simple language, the probability of an file transmission > error being undetected by MD4 message digest is believed to be > approximately one in one thousand million million million million > million million. I think that's one duodecillio

Re: Non-determinism

2002-04-17 Thread Martin Pool
on at work as with ftp and cp, but the > algorithm itself introduces non- determinism. You are using the word "non-deterministic" in a way at odds with its usual meaning in computer science. > 1 definition found > From The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (13 Mar 01) [fo

Re: Non-determinism

2002-04-17 Thread tim . conway
06:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: (bcc: Tim Conway/LMT/SC/PHILIPS) Subject:Non-determinism Classification: Is anyone else concerned about the fact that rsync doesn't guarantee to produce identical file copies on the the target machine? Don&#

RE: Non-determinism

2002-04-17 Thread Berend Tober
On 17 Apr 2002 at 13:46, David Bolen wrote: > Berend Tober [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] writes: > > > That was my point about comparing rsync to sending the entire file > > using say, ftp or cp. ... > > Except of course that rsync uses its own final checksum ... > > ...so one could argue it's > actuall

RE: Non-determinism

2002-04-17 Thread David Bolen
reliable copy. So while the > software algorithm of ftp and cp are deterministic, there must be > some quantifiable probablity of failure non-the-less. The difference > with rsync is that not only are the same effects of data corruption > at work as with ftp and cp, but