Re: [regext] Genart telechat review of draft-ietf-regext-bundling-registration-11

2019-11-03 Thread Jiankang Yao
> -原始邮件- > 发件人: "John C Klensin" > 发送时间: 2019-10-16 00:59:47 (星期三) > 收件人: "Joel M. Halpern" , "Jiankang Yao" > 抄送: gen-...@ietf.org, draft-ietf-regext-bundling-registration@ietf.org, > i...@ietf.org, regext@ietf.org > 主题: R

Re: [regext] Genart telechat review of draft-ietf-regext-bundling-registration-11

2019-10-15 Thread John C Klensin
--On Tuesday, October 15, 2019 14:19 -0400 Barry Leiba wrote: >> If we do not have agreement on what the meaning is for the >> relevant terms, then either >> 1) The document should not be an IETF consensus document >> (which even Informational publication is) > > Just a point on this: it's no

Re: [regext] Genart telechat review of draft-ietf-regext-bundling-registration-11

2019-10-15 Thread Barry Leiba
> If I think about it too much, I end up unable to parse the notion of a > document published on the IETF stream without IETF rough consensus. And yet they are there today and will continue to be. b ___ regext mailing list regext@ietf.org https://www.i

Re: [regext] Genart telechat review of draft-ietf-regext-bundling-registration-11

2019-10-15 Thread Joel M. Halpern
Barry, I have a real problem with us producing a document with WG rough consensus, IESG approval, but not IETF rough consensus. People have been complaining about various markings causing confusion about the status and meaning of documents. This seems a MUCH worse case than anything I have se

Re: [regext] Genart telechat review of draft-ietf-regext-bundling-registration-11

2019-10-15 Thread Barry Leiba
> If we do not have agreement on what the meaning is for the relevant > terms, then either > 1) The document should not be an IETF consensus document (which even > Informational publication is) Just a point on this: it's not true. We have a "consensus" flag in the datatracker, which triggers a bo

Re: [regext] Genart telechat review of draft-ietf-regext-bundling-registration-11

2019-10-15 Thread John C Klensin
Joel, Agreed. And that is more or less what my notes of two days ago said. I apparently went into too much detail about the terms and the issues with them and the messages apparently got lost in the noise. best, john --On Tuesday, October 15, 2019 13:52 -0400 Joel Halpern Direct wrote: >

Re: [regext] Genart telechat review of draft-ietf-regext-bundling-registration-11

2019-10-15 Thread Joel Halpern Direct
If we do not have agreement on what the meaning is for the relevant terms, then either 1) The document should not be an IETF consensus document (which even Informational publication is) or 2) The document should be Experimental, indicating explicitly that there is ambiguity in the terms, and on

Re: [regext] Genart telechat review of draft-ietf-regext-bundling-registration-11

2019-10-15 Thread John C Klensin
Joel, Let me try one reason why this should not be Standards Track or, if it should, it isn't ready. It uses, and is dependent on, terminology for which there is no consensus definition and that is used to describe different things in the wild. As I think I suggested one of my earlier notes abou

Re: [regext] Genart telechat review of draft-ietf-regext-bundling-registration-11

2019-10-15 Thread Joel M. Halpern
rn via Datatracker" 发送时间: 2019-10-11 06:56:18 (星期五) 收件人: gen-...@ietf.org 抄送: draft-ietf-regext-bundling-registration@ietf.org, i...@ietf.org, regext@ietf.org 主题: [regext] Genart telechat review of draft-ietf-regext-bundling-registration-11 Reviewer: Joel Halpern Review result: Almost Re

Re: [regext] Genart telechat review of draft-ietf-regext-bundling-registration-11

2019-10-15 Thread Jiankang Yao
> -原始邮件- > 发件人: "Joel Halpern via Datatracker" > 发送时间: 2019-10-11 06:56:18 (星期五) > 收件人: gen-...@ietf.org > 抄送: draft-ietf-regext-bundling-registration@ietf.org, i...@ietf.org, > regext@ietf.org > 主题: [regext] Genart telechat review of > draft-ie

[regext] Genart telechat review of draft-ietf-regext-bundling-registration-11

2019-10-10 Thread Joel Halpern via Datatracker
Reviewer: Joel Halpern Review result: Almost Ready I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please wait for direction from your document shepherd or AD before posting a new v