Joel,

Agreed.  And that is more or less what my notes of two days ago
said.  I apparently went into too much detail about the terms
and the issues with them and the messages apparently got lost in
the noise.

best,
   john

--On Tuesday, October 15, 2019 13:52 -0400 Joel Halpern Direct
<jmh.dir...@joelhalpern.com> wrote:

> If we do not have agreement on what the meaning is for the
> relevant terms, then either
> 1) The document should not be an IETF consensus document
> (which even Informational publication is)
> or
> 2) The document should be Experimental, indicating explicitly
> that there is ambiguity in the terms, and one of the points of
> the experiment would be to find out if that matters.




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